We do poles but not guyed. You are right. Guyed poles can be very time consuming. Especially if you have to anchor the guys on the house.

CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
i think there is more to it. the safety of our installers...who put the tower up....if the tower is 50 years old and in bad shape....i think we have even dropped pole installs due to their complexity. we have to support what is put up too and it can be time consuming. i guess we can discuss all of this over dinner next week :)

    ----- Original Message -----
    *From:* cstann...@gmail.com <mailto:cstann...@gmail.com>
    *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    *Sent:* Saturday, January 31, 2015 3:21 PM
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 25Mbps

    So you disagree when your own high number of rejections show you
    should be doing it?

    The advantage is that it's the customer paying for the height that
    they need to get service, not you (mostly).
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    *From: *"CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net
    <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
    *Sender: *"Af" <af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>>
    *Date: *Sat, 31 Jan 2015 19:52:42 +0000
    *To: *<af@afmug.com>
    *ReplyTo: *af@afmug.com
    *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 25Mbps

i disagree. we're over 600 customers now. very few have towers. but we have a lot of rejections too due to weak signals. talk to other wisp companies at wispa - the solution is more towers. well, too many towers and that gets expensive...

        ----- Original Message -----
        *From:* Colin Stanners <mailto:cstann...@gmail.com>
        *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
        *Sent:* Saturday, January 31, 2015 1:19 PM
        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 25Mbps

        Eh? When you are in a highly-treed area, you need to do towers
        or be quick to send customers to a company that does. There's
        no other easy way to get NLOS.

        On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 12:53 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller
        <par...@cyberbroadband.net <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
        wrote:

            well, we don't do towers by default.  in fact, i think
            we've had six customers or so who ever wanted towers and
            usually we told them to put their own up.  I'm not sure to
            be honest, probably need to pull some work orders and find
            out why.  I mean, some of those are in very close proximity!

                ----- Original Message -----
                *From:* cstann...@gmail.com <mailto:cstann...@gmail.com>
                *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
                *Sent:* Saturday, January 31, 2015 12:50 PM
                *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 25Mbps

                That's a quite high percentage of failures. Why? Trees
                and those customers didn't want to pay you to put up a
                residential tower?
                
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                *From: *"CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net
                <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
                *Sender: *"Af" <af-boun...@afmug.com
                <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>>
                *Date: *Sat, 31 Jan 2015 18:45:56 +0000
                *To: *<af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
                *ReplyTo: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
                *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 25Mbps

                and this is REALLY annoying.   Two water tanks, very
                close.  i think 3 miles apart.
                green dots = installation successes
                yellow dots  = FAILURES

                    ----- Original Message -----
                    *From:* cstann...@gmail.com
                    <mailto:cstann...@gmail.com>
                    *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
                    *Sent:* Saturday, January 31, 2015 12:22 PM
                    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 25Mbps

                    You can offer it right now in 2.4, 3.65 or 5.8,
                    the customers just need to pay the money for it
                    and to cut trees and/or buy a big tower. A few
                    people are, the hard part is finding them...
                    
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                    *From: *"CBB - Jay Fuller"
                    <par...@cyberbroadband.net
                    <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
                    *Sender: *"Af" <af-boun...@afmug.com
                    <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>>
                    *Date: *Sat, 31 Jan 2015 18:17:46 +0000
                    *To: *<af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
                    *ReplyTo: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
                    *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 25Mbps

                    me thinks if the FCC gave me 100 mhz from, oh, i
                    don't know, 600 to 700 mhz, i could offer 25/3.
                    Easily.
                    Give me what I want FCC!

                        ----- Original Message -----
                        *From:* Jeremy <mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com>
                        *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
                        *Sent:* Friday, January 30, 2015 9:52 AM
                        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 25Mbps

                        How many WISPs out there offer 25x3?  What do
                        you charge for it? Are there bandwidth limits
                        or is it unlimited?  I'm trying to understand
                        how we could reliably provide this service
                        without putting 5-10 customers per AP.

                        On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 7:42 AM, Travis
                        Johnson <t...@ida.net <mailto:t...@ida.net>>
                        wrote:

                            Minimum definition of "broadband" is now
                            25Mbps down and 3Mbps up. My question is,
                            if you say "up to", does that qualify? ;)

                            
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/29/fcc_sextuples_broadband_speed/

                            Travis




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