i think there is more to it.  the safety of our installers...who put the tower 
up....if the tower is 50 years old and in bad shape....i think we have even 
dropped pole installs due to their complexity.  we have to support what is put 
up too and it can be time consuming.  i guess we can discuss all of this over 
dinner next week :)

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: cstann...@gmail.com 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 3:21 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 25Mbps


  So you disagree when your own high number of rejections show you should be 
doing it?

  The advantage is that it's the customer paying for the height that they need 
to get service, not you (mostly).

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  From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net> 
  Sender: "Af" <af-boun...@afmug.com> 
  Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 19:52:42 +0000
  To: <af@afmug.com>
  ReplyTo: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 25Mbps



  i disagree.  we're over 600 customers now.  very few have towers.  but we 
have a lot of rejections too due to weak signals.  talk to other wisp companies 
at wispa - the solution is more towers.  well, too many towers and that gets 
expensive...

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Colin Stanners 
    To: af@afmug.com 
    Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 1:19 PM
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 25Mbps


    Eh? When you are in a highly-treed area, you need to do towers or be quick 
to send customers to a company that does. There's no other easy way to get NLOS.



    On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 12:53 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
<par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:


      well, we don't do towers by default.  in fact, i think we've had six 
customers or so who ever wanted towers and usually we told them to put their 
own up.  I'm not sure to be honest, probably need to pull some work orders and 
find out why.  I mean, some of those are in very close proximity!


        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: cstann...@gmail.com 
        To: af@afmug.com 
        Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 12:50 PM
        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 25Mbps


        That's a quite high percentage of failures. Why? Trees and those 
customers didn't want to pay you to put up a residential tower?

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        From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net> 
        Sender: "Af" <af-boun...@afmug.com> 
        Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 18:45:56 +0000
        To: <af@afmug.com>
        ReplyTo: af@afmug.com 
        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 25Mbps



        and this is REALLY annoying.   Two water tanks, very close.  i think 3 
miles apart.

        green dots = installation successes
        yellow dots  = FAILURES


          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: cstann...@gmail.com 
          To: af@afmug.com 
          Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 12:22 PM
          Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 25Mbps


          You can offer it right now in 2.4, 3.65 or 5.8, the customers just 
need to pay the money for it and to cut trees and/or buy a big tower. A few 
people are, the hard part is finding them...

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          From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net> 
          Sender: "Af" <af-boun...@afmug.com> 
          Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 18:17:46 +0000
          To: <af@afmug.com>
          ReplyTo: af@afmug.com 
          Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 25Mbps



          me thinks if the FCC gave me 100 mhz from, oh, i don't know, 600 to 
700 mhz, i could offer 25/3.  Easily.
          Give me what I want FCC!

            ----- Original Message ----- 
            From: Jeremy 
            To: af@afmug.com 
            Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 9:52 AM
            Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 25Mbps


            How many WISPs out there offer 25x3?  What do you charge for it?  
Are there bandwidth limits or is it unlimited?  I'm trying to understand how we 
could reliably provide this service without putting 5-10 customers per AP.


            On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 7:42 AM, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net> 
wrote:

              Minimum definition of "broadband" is now 25Mbps down and 3Mbps 
up. My question is, if you say "up to", does that qualify? ;)

              
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/29/fcc_sextuples_broadband_speed/

              Travis





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