Pe ople have already ran it side by side with 450 and they're buying Telrad.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Englhardt" <s...@genias.net> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 12:00:46 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback We wanted to do a test but stopped due to pricing. It is Alvarion-Style. Every mount, cable, ... seems to be golden. Every goodie is an upgrade option. And as with other gear. 3 years from now it is old stuff. Our ROI is better doing smaller cells and use cheaper gear. Towers will stay beyond 3 years. Everything I mount ... Nevertheless a shootout between PMP 450 and Compact would be great to see. We have seen so much and intense marketing in the past. Even Patrick can't cry loud enough... So gimme a real live comparison including pricing between two 4 sector towers to make me a believer. -------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht -------- Von: af-requ...@afmug.com Datum: 04.03.2015 06:22 (GMT+01:00) An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Af Digest, Vol 7, Issue 160 Send Af mailing list submissions to af@afmug.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to af-requ...@afmug.com You can reach the person managing the list at af-ow...@afmug.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Af digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: New feedback (Glen Waldrop) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 23:20:21 -0600 From: "Glen Waldrop" <gwl...@cngwireless.net> To: <af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback Message-ID: <559A42CC5A9145A39DFBEAFC8EED95CF@ziggy7> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Close, south of Tuscaloosa, west of Montgomery. Same basic geography though, hills, cows, fish and trees. Might be a redneck spread out amongst the trees. Might be one of them... ----- Original Message ----- From: CBB - Jay Fuller To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 11:19 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback He's (glen) between ttown and Montgomery patrick Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Glen Waldrop" <gwl...@cngwireless.net> To: <af@afmug.com> Subject: [AFMUG] New feedback Date: Tue, Mar 3, 2015 11:10 PM Tree density is seriously mixed. Some places it is ridiculous, 100+ year growth, old forests. Nearly half of my coverage area is over farmland (beef, catfish) so those places are usually an easy shot. The truly irritating thing about wireless in this area is cedar trees. There won't be one tree in the yard, but there will almost always be a line of cedar across the road or something, somewhere near a fence line. Anyone that has the phobia that RF is killing us just needs to plant cedar. I've got a few places that if your system could serve you'd get a shining recommendation from me. Nothing short of going over cedar seems to work. 900MHz seems to get a half mile or less if cedar is involved. I can get over a mile away with the test AP on the ground and a yagi in my truck through hardwood and pine, but cedar just stops it cold. Mike Hammet may have a point though. I may not be your target audience. I might not get a return on my investment, but it would be irresponsible of me to not evaluate another tool to find out. ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Leary To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 10:48 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback I suspect you could pull off omnis then. How's the tree density? Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Glen Waldrop Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 10:19 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback The 15 number comes from rural area. I have some towers that can only hit a few homes. Of those few, some still have OTA TV and rotary phones. They have no need nor want for Internet. Don't get hung up on that. I'm looking at probably 4 of these strategically placed in my network to cover any blind spots I might have over my coverage area. I'm not following, "capping"? Aside from that, this email came off more than a bit condesending. ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Leary To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback Alvarion did that. I admit, I'm not a fan of capping Glen. It is a gimmick. The hardware is what it is, and this hardware is expensive. 30dBm per port. 4 tx/4rx. Power is expensive. The highest quality DSPs on the market. not consumer grade stuff with the sensitivity of your in home Wi-Fi router. We build our own phy from the ground up too, our own ATPC algorithms too. On the software, we do that though -- enabling modularity and scale as you need to. I think I need to do a dedicated webinar to this community to walk you guys (or those inclined) through it (any takers?). I do not think we can be a solution that makes sense where you only have 15 clients. That's the blunt truth. Unless you are doing 50 Mbps customers, I am not your micropop (but I can do that in some modest scale). That said, I wonder where that 15 number comes from? Can you please explain on what architecture that is based? Range? Height? Etc. If it is based on a micropop and even then on what just that pop can see, I'd say that's likely a model invented out of necessity due to the poor performance of the system you are using. I had a guy on a call today. He zoomed me in on Google Earth to his "NLOS" area. Farmland with wind breaks and shade trees for the homes. He is at 400' and can't connect squat behind those breaks. In my world, that's LOS all the way, even at 150 ft. It is total garbage that so many systems to can't deal with that and you've all been fed that that is "normal." It is not. It is just gear with terrible specs where the only R&D is at the software level, and even that is scant. ....You do not have NLOS problems. You have equipment problems. How such a product ever was allowed to go to market as a "solution" for rural broadband is, to me, cynical and reflective of playing a market to skim opportunistic dollars from a market segment that sometimes seems to embrace abuse. Sort of like the poor 700 MHz owners who got sucked in to buying 20 year old Marconi WipLL repackaged as a 700 MHz "solution" because all there was to buy. Then vendors do that crap and THEN, THEN tell you the re's no backward compatibility when they come out with something new? WISPs. Sometimes you guys drive me nuts. You are like cheerleaders that love to date the quarterbacks who abuse you. That is like selling a car that falls apart once you leave residential streets. None of you should ever have accepted these golf carts to run your fleets. Sometimes, cheap is just cheap. Boy, I'm gonna hear it from my vendor peers, but this ain't a game or just a job for me. I damn sure hope it ain't that for you either. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Glen Waldrop Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 8:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback Sort of off topic, but what would be the smallest AP we could get? I'm thinking about using this system on a few of my towers to make sure we never leave without a new customer, but I serve a very rural area. I have some towers with 15 clients. Is an omni + GPS sync or narrow channel out of the question? ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Leary To: tel...@wispa.org ; af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 4:42 PM Subject: [AFMUG] New feedback This is an interesting bit of commentary from one of our new customers. If he wishes to identify himself, he will.... Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 2:31 AM To: Patrick Leary; Nick Dewar Subject: Interesting Statistic "Patrick / Nick ? Our Director of Operations, which you both met in St Louis, sent out an interesting email to our staff this evening. In February with only 20 working days we completed 40 installs with one technician... This is only icing on the cake, especially since we are onboarding two more techs... I ran some additional numbers and found that out of the ?Telrad? installations that we scheduled, 100 % were successful both of these months. This is a game changer, and it proves that we can eliminate the need to waste further time with the dreaded site surveys. Our success is not without the help of Telrad?s Compact solution. Truly amazing and inspiring, excited for our aggressive expansion this spring/summer/fall. I cannot wait to have hundreds of these damn things in the air. 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