Streakwave has already treated me fairly. No refund if I preorder and cancel. So I just put in an order and get the gear.
Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 7:19 PM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote: > On that point, to Streakwave's defense...they only took a small percentage > as a deposit and they take the rest when it ships. They just restrict your > right to cancel the shipment I guess. At least they have stock of the > 620. I don't know who Tim is using. My usual distributor shipped me the > M5-620s by mistake and still had the PBE-5AC-620 on pre-order status so I > grabbed some from Streakwave. My usual distributor has let me cancel > pre-orders in the past though. > > On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 5:02 PM, Eric Kuhnke < > e...@kuhnke-international.com> wrote: > >> Isn't that nice, they get to take your money and earn interest (or >> whatever) on it for months until the product ships. Negligibly tiny amount >> for one order, but multiply by hundreds of customers each ordering >> thousands of dollars of gear. >> >> Many vendors only bill for back-ordered products when they actually ship. >> >> >> On 3/23/15 10:26 PM, Jeremy wrote: >> >> My AF5X order from Streakwave is like that. From the invoice: >> >> "Non Cancellable/Non Refundable Orders: >> >> Items ordered under these terms are >> >> non-cancellable and non-refundable. >> >> Prepayment may be required for purchase >> >> of NCNR items. Products purchased under >> >> these terms are considered all sales >> >> final with warranty service provided by >> >> the manufacturer where applicable." >> >> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Right, exactly. If the distributor just hasn't gotten their order yet, >>> and they expect it soon is entirely different than if they didn't order >>> enough to fulfill their commitment... if that's the case, and they refuse >>> to cancel the order, I certainly wouldn't be dealing with them again. >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Josh Luthman < >>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Depends on the circumstance. If it's the first shipment of the product >>>> and theirs arrives an extra day or two, you shouldn't be canceling IMO. In >>>> the event they didn't order enough to fulfill their commitment, cancelling >>>> should be no problem and distributor should apologize. >>>> >>>> Worst case scenario if they're being ridiculous you can always refuse >>>> the charge on your credit card, but that looks bad on both parties. >>>> >>>> >>>> Josh Luthman >>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>> Suite 1337 >>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>> >>>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 5:08 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Probably, but in that case, it seems more productive to complain to >>>>> the distributor... since they are available elsewhere, there's a good >>>>> chance they'll be willing to cancel the order... since it appears to be >>>>> their fault for not ordering enough, or ordering late. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Nate Burke <n...@blastcomm.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> If he pre-ordered, the Distributor may have put a no-cancel on the >>>>>> order, and made him prepay something..... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 3/23/2015 3:48 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Tim, why would you not order them elsewhere and cancel the order >>>>>> from the distributor who doesn’t have stock? >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Ben Moore <ben.mo...@ubnt.com> >>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 23, 2015 3:28 PM >>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line >>>>>> >>>>>> What exactly would you like me to do? We are telling you where >>>>>> units are available. As I mentioned distributors place orders at >>>>>> different >>>>>> times and some new products get ordered sooner than others. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 2:15 PM, <t...@nwohiobb.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Mike >>>>>>> its one of the main distributor for ubnt and ben wont do anything >>>>>>> about it.... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tim >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2015-03-23 16:06, Mike Hammett wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sounds like your distributor sucks. ;-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> FROM: t...@nwohiobb.com >>>>>>>> TO: af@afmug.com >>>>>>>> SENT: Monday, March 23, 2015 3:03:54 PM >>>>>>>> SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Well it doesnt help me any if I already got mine ordered but the >>>>>>>> distributor is dragging there feet to get mine to me >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2015-03-23 15:42, Ben Moore wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks Jeremy! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Streakwave has them (PBE-5AC-620) in stock now. I am picking some >>>>>>>>>> up on will call. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Tim Reichhart <t...@nwohiobb.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Rory >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ben told me it as been shipping since dec and I have ordered mine >>>>>>>>>> and I keep getting told I wont have mine until may which is >>>>>>>>>> totally >>>>>>>>>> uncalled for. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Tim >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway >>>>>>>>>> SENT: Saturday, March 21, 2015 1:37 AM >>>>>>>>>> TO: af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>>> SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Is the PBE-5AC-620 shipping yet? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Rory >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway >>>>>>>>>> SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 3:43 PM >>>>>>>>>> TO: af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>>> SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If I set up a new tower with 802.11ac, am I going to have any >>>>>>>>>> problems getting CPE’s over the next 3 months? Is there any >>>>>>>>>> chance of supply shortages? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Rory >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Ben Moore >>>>>>>>>> SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 2:59 PM >>>>>>>>>> TO: af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>>> SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> That is the good thing about these...they are being air shipped >>>>>>>>>> ;-) >>>>>>>>>> You can imagine what I would say with all of the port issues if >>>>>>>>>> they were going "on the boat" ;) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Josh Luthman >>>>>>>>>> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I can't think of any. If you take the word "soon" and "on the >>>>>>>>>> boat" out of your emails, we'd save about 15 terabytes of storage. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 [1] >>>>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] >>>>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Ben Moore <ben.mo...@ubnt.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Come on now...I know I have done it at least once before in the >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> last >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 15 years...Man, can't believe it has already been 15 years!!!! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman >>>>>>>>>> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Well they may or may not be reliable, but you stated a >>>>>>>>>> quantifiable >>>>>>>>>> value. That has to be a first. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 [1] >>>>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] >>>>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Ben Moore <ben.mo...@ubnt.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hey, who says they are accurate?? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman >>>>>>>>>> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers????????????? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 [1] >>>>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] >>>>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore <ben.mo...@ubnt.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy >>>>>>>>>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not >>>>>>>>>> connectorized >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys >>>>>>>>>> actual hands yet is it? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard >>>>>>>>>> <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> link? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> go >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman >>>>>>>>>> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it >>>>>>>>>> needs done in the next couple weeks. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 [1] >>>>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] >>>>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard >>>>>>>>>> <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have >>>>>>>>>> airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently >>>>>>>>>> differences in airprism between the two which means they will >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> always >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> be limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a >>>>>>>>>> permanent separation. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are >>>>>>>>>> going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some >>>>>>>>>> spiffy features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC >>>>>>>>>> line at this point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at >>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>> point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should >>>>>>>>>> perform best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> flexibility >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> at this point. I expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every >>>>>>>>>> way. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy >>>>>>>>>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only >>>>>>>>>> connectorized units? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism >>>>>>>>>> only? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Are some of these shipping without all there guts? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> already >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP >>>>>>>>>> parabolics. I figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I >>>>>>>>>> dont know whats what now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT >>>>>>>>>> of ptp and ptmp or is this two things that are going to converge? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is >>>>>>>>>> there any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of >>>>>>>>>> performance? (future demand is a factor as well) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three >>>>>>>>>> products there? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see >>>>>>>>>> your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of >>>>>>>>>> the team. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your >>>>>>>>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> team. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Links: >>>>>>>>> ------ >>>>>>>>> [1] tel:937-552-2340 >>>>>>>>> [2] tel:937-552-2343 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >
