I have several customers on 3.65 links, so vivint doesn't interfere with their 
signal. But I had one of these customers call me a week ago and tell me they 
are having massive buffer issues. When I went to check it out I saw that Vivint 
had put up a hub home right next door. My customer said it went up two days 
before and that is when they started having their issue. So Vivint is causing 
so much interference in the 5GHz area that people's home routers aren't even 
working. I gave her a 2.4GHz router and she is happy now. 

So, even if you get the 50Mb to your Vivint device, you won't be able to use it 
over your wireless network in 5GHz.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On May 21, 2015, at 1:08 PM, Rory Conaway <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Vivint is kind of the worst of every idea.  They spend a boatload on licensed 
> spectrum, an excessive amount on backhaul radios and co-location costs, all 
> of which requires a high-density of users.  Then they deploy a non-TDMA mesh 
> protocol so that when the density starts to increase, they cause their own 
> interference.  The 5GHz technology they are deploying can’t support the 
> density they need to make this profitable.  Then when connections don’t work, 
> they deploy hacked together flat-panels to make the connection which then 
> causes problems for other users because the flat-panel is too directional.  
> I’m really not sure who is designing this but it reminds me of the EarthLink 
> mesh deployments.  What I can’t figure out is how that design gets past a 
> technical and financial review.  This is a multi-billion dollar, 
> international company.  Somebody should have figured out that there weren’t 
> going to get 50Mbps through a mesh system consistently with vegetation and 
> that the costs weren’t going to be in line with the revenue/density. 
>  
> Rory
>  
>  
>  
> From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joe Falaschi
> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 11:51 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint
>  
> I heard they were using this in 28GHz for BH to their micro sites:
>  
> http://cbnl.com/vectastar-gigabit-highlights
>  
>  
> Joe Falaschi
> e-vergent
>  
>  
>  
> On May 21, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
> 
> 
> I think they are sometimes 5Ghz and sometimes something else on the houses.
> The backhauls appear to be the unlicensed SAF 20+GHZ stuff to nearby drops.
>  
> Most of those in Saratoga Springs are connected to CentraCom Fiber at the 
> schools etc.
>  
> And they are doing 50Mbps for $50 or $60 depending on who you talk to.
>  
> So maybe they outperform DirectCom now, but when you guys get more fiber and 
> for a better price they will switch.
>  
> We took over quite a few in some neighborhoods already.
>  
> From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:20 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [AFMUG] vivint
>  
> Anyone know if the APs are 5.8 GHz?  I saw one going in today.  Fed with a 
> backhaul with a 2 foot dish.  Couldn’t get close enough to see if it was 
> licensed or not.  The AP antennas look like little whips.  At roof top.  In a 
> very heavy tree’d neighborhood.  With trees taller than the houses.  With a 
> bunch of other WISPs in the area...  And I just rolled fiber down that street.
>  
> Wonder who will win in the end?
>  

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