I thought Bret Westwood left JAB/Digis and went to Vivint, but apparently I’m mistaken or misinformed.
From: Brett A Mansfield Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 2:33 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint Haha, funny you mention that! Their recently former COO is now one of my customers. He was the Chief Ops Officer specifically for Vivint Wireless. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On May 21, 2015, at 1:26 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: 5 GHz with FSK doesn’t even penetrate walls and vegetation. Be interesting to see what happens to their chief technology officer when the truth begins to filter up to the C level. From: Rory Conaway Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 1:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint Vivint is also relaying through their internal/half-duplex routers to avoid putting antennas on the roof. That was their original idea. They are finding out that most people need outdoor installations. For some reason, 5GHz with 256QAM doesn’t penetrated outside walls and vegetation. That’s a handy piece of information to have when you are planning to spend tens of millions of dollars. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint I have several customers on 3.65 links, so vivint doesn't interfere with their signal. But I had one of these customers call me a week ago and tell me they are having massive buffer issues. When I went to check it out I saw that Vivint had put up a hub home right next door. My customer said it went up two days before and that is when they started having their issue. So Vivint is causing so much interference in the 5GHz area that people's home routers aren't even working. I gave her a 2.4GHz router and she is happy now. So, even if you get the 50Mb to your Vivint device, you won't be able to use it over your wireless network in 5GHz. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On May 21, 2015, at 1:08 PM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote: Vivint is kind of the worst of every idea. They spend a boatload on licensed spectrum, an excessive amount on backhaul radios and co-location costs, all of which requires a high-density of users. Then they deploy a non-TDMA mesh protocol so that when the density starts to increase, they cause their own interference. The 5GHz technology they are deploying can’t support the density they need to make this profitable. Then when connections don’t work, they deploy hacked together flat-panels to make the connection which then causes problems for other users because the flat-panel is too directional. I’m really not sure who is designing this but it reminds me of the EarthLink mesh deployments. What I can’t figure out is how that design gets past a technical and financial review. This is a multi-billion dollar, international company. Somebody should have figured out that there weren’t going to get 50Mbps through a mesh system consistently with vegetation and that the costs weren’t going to be in line with the revenue/density. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Falaschi Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 11:51 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint I heard they were using this in 28GHz for BH to their micro sites: http://cbnl.com/vectastar-gigabit-highlights Joe Falaschi e-vergent On May 21, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote: I think they are sometimes 5Ghz and sometimes something else on the houses. The backhauls appear to be the unlicensed SAF 20+GHZ stuff to nearby drops. Most of those in Saratoga Springs are connected to CentraCom Fiber at the schools etc. And they are doing 50Mbps for $50 or $60 depending on who you talk to. So maybe they outperform DirectCom now, but when you guys get more fiber and for a better price they will switch. We took over quite a few in some neighborhoods already. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] vivint Anyone know if the APs are 5.8 GHz? I saw one going in today. Fed with a backhaul with a 2 foot dish. Couldn’t get close enough to see if it was licensed or not. The AP antennas look like little whips. At roof top. In a very heavy tree’d neighborhood. With trees taller than the houses. With a bunch of other WISPs in the area... And I just rolled fiber down that street. Wonder who will win in the end?
