Bret Westwood Vice President of Network Deployment Greater Salt Lake City AreaInternet Current Vivint Previous JAB Wireless, Inc., Digis Networks, Wavepoint Networks
Regards, Chuck On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > I thought Bret Westwood left JAB/Digis and went to Vivint, but > apparently I’m mistaken or misinformed. > > *From:* Brett A Mansfield <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> > *Sent:* Thursday, May 21, 2015 2:33 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] vivint > > Haha, funny you mention that! Their recently former COO is now one of my > customers. He was the Chief Ops Officer specifically for Vivint Wireless. > > Thank you, > Brett A Mansfield > > On May 21, 2015, at 1:26 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > 5 GHz with FSK doesn’t even penetrate walls and vegetation. Be > interesting to see what happens to their chief technology officer when the > truth begins to filter up to the C level. > > *From:* Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> > *Sent:* Thursday, May 21, 2015 1:23 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] vivint > > > Vivint is also relaying through their internal/half-duplex routers to > avoid putting antennas on the roof. That was their original idea. They > are finding out that most people need outdoor installations. For some > reason, 5GHz with 256QAM doesn’t penetrated outside walls and vegetation. > That’s a handy piece of information to have when you are planning to spend > tens of millions of dollars. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On > Behalf Of *Brett A Mansfield > *Sent:* Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:20 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] vivint > > > > I have several customers on 3.65 links, so vivint doesn't interfere with > their signal. But I had one of these customers call me a week ago and tell > me they are having massive buffer issues. When I went to check it out I saw > that Vivint had put up a hub home right next door. My customer said it went > up two days before and that is when they started having their issue. So > Vivint is causing so much interference in the 5GHz area that people's home > routers aren't even working. I gave her a 2.4GHz router and she is happy > now. > > > > So, even if you get the 50Mb to your Vivint device, you won't be able to > use it over your wireless network in 5GHz. > > Thank you, > > Brett A Mansfield > > > On May 21, 2015, at 1:08 PM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote: > > Vivint is kind of the worst of every idea. They spend a boatload on > licensed spectrum, an excessive amount on backhaul radios and co-location > costs, all of which requires a high-density of users. Then they deploy a > non-TDMA mesh protocol so that when the density starts to increase, they > cause their own interference. The 5GHz technology they are deploying can’t > support the density they need to make this profitable. Then when > connections don’t work, they deploy hacked together flat-panels to make the > connection which then causes problems for other users because the > flat-panel is too directional. I’m really not sure who is designing this > but it reminds me of the EarthLink mesh deployments. What I can’t figure > out is how that design gets past a technical and financial review. This is > a multi-billion dollar, international company. Somebody should have > figured out that there weren’t going to get 50Mbps through a mesh system > consistently with vegetation and that the costs weren’t going to be in line > with the revenue/density. > > > > Rory > > > > > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On > Behalf Of *Joe Falaschi > *Sent:* Thursday, May 21, 2015 11:51 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] vivint > > > > I heard they were using this in 28GHz for BH to their micro sites: > > > > http://cbnl.com/vectastar-gigabit-highlights > > > > > > Joe Falaschi > > e-vergent > > > > > > > > On May 21, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote: > > > > > I think they are sometimes 5Ghz and sometimes something else on the > houses. > > The backhauls appear to be the unlicensed SAF 20+GHZ stuff to nearby drops. > > > > Most of those in Saratoga Springs are connected to CentraCom Fiber at the > schools etc. > > > > And they are doing 50Mbps for $50 or $60 depending on who you talk to. > > > > So maybe they outperform DirectCom now, but when you guys get more fiber > and for a better price they will switch. > > > > We took over quite a few in some neighborhoods already. > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On > Behalf Of *Chuck McCown > *Sent:* Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:20 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* [AFMUG] vivint > > > > Anyone know if the APs are 5.8 GHz? I saw one going in today. Fed with a > backhaul with a 2 foot dish. Couldn’t get close enough to see if it was > licensed or not. The AP antennas look like little whips. At roof top. In > a very heavy tree’d neighborhood. With trees taller than the houses. With > a bunch of other WISPs in the area... And I just rolled fiber down that > street. > > > > Wonder who will win in the end? > > > >
