Does this network also carry the alarm system traffic?

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 4:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com ; Chuck Hogg 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint

"Throw money at it until it works!@"


On May 21, 2015 1:13:57 PM AKDT, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote: 
  I don't know about that...they are heavily invested in technology, Quantenna 
for example, just like Mimosa is.

  Regards,
  Chuck

  On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 4:49 PM, Colin Stanners <cstann...@gmail.com> wrote:

    I'm geographically far from Vivint but just the things I've been reading 
make it seem like a "too much money not enough engineering" business. But 
they're making so much money in other areas that they don't need to care.

    On May 21, 2015 2:08 PM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:

      Vivint is kind of the worst of every idea.  They spend a boatload on 
licensed spectrum, an excessive amount on backhaul radios and co-location 
costs, all of which requires a high-density of users.  Then they deploy a 
non-TDMA mesh protocol so that when the density starts to increase, they cause 
their own interference.  The 5GHz technology they are deploying can’t support 
the density they need to make this profitable.  Then when connections don’t 
work, they deploy hacked together flat-panels to make the connection which then 
causes problems for other users because the flat-panel is too directional.  I’m 
really not sure who is designing this but it reminds me of the EarthLink mesh 
deployments.  What I can’t figure out is how that design gets past a technical 
and financial review.  This is a multi-billion dollar, international company.  
Somebody should have figured out that there weren’t going to get 50Mbps through 
a mesh system consistently with vegetation and that the costs weren’t going to 
be in line with the revenue/density.  



      Rory







      From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Falaschi
      Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 11:51 AM
      To: af@afmug.com
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vivint



      I heard they were using this in 28GHz for BH to their micro sites:



      http://cbnl.com/vectastar-gigabit-highlights





      Joe Falaschi

      e-vergent







      On May 21, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:





      I think they are sometimes 5Ghz and sometimes something else on the 
houses.

      The backhauls appear to be the unlicensed SAF 20+GHZ stuff to nearby 
drops.



      Most of those in Saratoga Springs are connected to CentraCom Fiber at the 
schools etc.



      And they are doing 50Mbps for $50 or $60 depending on who you talk to.



      So maybe they outperform DirectCom now, but when you guys get more fiber 
and for a better price they will switch.



      We took over quite a few in some neighborhoods already.



      From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
      Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:20 PM
      To: af@afmug.com
      Subject: [AFMUG] vivint



      Anyone know if the APs are 5.8 GHz?  I saw one going in today.  Fed with 
a backhaul with a 2 foot dish.  Couldn’t get close enough to see if it was 
licensed or not.  The AP antennas look like little whips.  At roof top.  In a 
very heavy tree’d neighborhood.  With trees taller than the houses.  With a 
bunch of other WISPs in the area...  And I just rolled fiber down that street.



      Wonder who will win in the end?





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