Seems cheaper to just go to Menards and get galvanized 5/16 bolts and nuts.
On Jun 20, 2015 11:34 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> wrote:

>   Where do you find them in metric?
>
> McMaster lists M8x1.25 bronze hex nuts at 2 weeks lead time and over $1
> each.  Can’t even find another source.
>
> 5/16-18 wouldn’t quite fit, the diameter is really close, but thread is a
> little coarser, would need more like 5/16-20.
>
>
>  *From:* Bill Prince <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 20, 2015 11:10 AM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gtek Communications deploys PMP 450
>
> We just replace the nut. Nothing wrong with stainless bolts as long as you
> don't use stainless nuts on them. Most of the ones you need can be gotten
> at McMaster Carr. I'll use either HDG or silicon bronze depending on the
> size.
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
>
> On 6/19/2015 8:51 PM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:
>
>  We can get by with just zinc plated in our environment I suppose but
> again replace just the nut or both the nut and the bolt?
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Brandon Yuchasz
>
> GogebicRange.net
>
> www.gogebicrange.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On
> Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Friday, June 19, 2015 10:19 PM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gtek Communications deploys PMP 450
>
>
>
> So where can you buy a galvanized M8x1.25 nut?  In any case, I would think
> you would have to replace both because galvanized nuts are usually tapped
> oversize to accommodate the extra thickness of the galvanizing on the bolts.
>
>
>
> I was able to find a bronze hex nut, it doesn’t specifically say silicon
> bronze:
>
> http://www.mcmaster.com/#91776a102/=xp6t4f
>
>
>
> Would it be so bad to just use a zinc plated nut?  Otherwise, replace both
> the nut and bolt with galvanized 5/16”.  A 13mm wrench might still work.
>
>
>
> The other thing I’m wondering is whether you could get away with using
> some kind of grease on the threads instead of actual anti-seize.  Something
> you have anyway like dielectric grease or O-ring grease.  Otherwise, I
> think the nickel anti-seize is what you’re supposed to use with stainless
> steel:
>
> http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/PER0/77124/N0490.oap
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>
> *From:* Brandon Yuchasz <[email protected]>
>
> *Sent:* Friday, June 19, 2015 9:49 PM
>
> *To:* [email protected]
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gtek Communications deploys PMP 450
>
>
>
> Okay so clarify for me. Are you guys leaving the stainless steel bolt in
> place and just using a none stainless steel nut ( galvanized for example)
> to avoid the seizing problem?  Let say for example on a force 110 dish. Or
> are you replacing both the bolt and the nut with galvanized.
>
>
>
> I am asking since I have had this on the force 110 dishes and also just
> had three stainless U-bolt clams seize today when removing some older
> antennas from a tower site. We had to cut them off.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Brandon Yuchasz
>
> GogebicRange.net
>
> www.gogebicrange.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On
> Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Friday, June 19, 2015 7:28 PM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gtek Communications deploys PMP 450
>
>
>
> The worst had to be the special axle-like bolt on the first version 430
> sectors, I think those were made by PCTel?  If you cranked the nuts down
> even moderately hard to keep it from slipping, it would snap.  I don’t
> think seizing was even the problem, it looked like the inside of the bolt
> was crystalline and just asking to break when you torqued it.  And it was
> not something you could buy at the hardware store or McMaster, and Motorola
> support was absolutely unhelpful about getting a replacement, I ended up
> having to MacGyver something.
>
>
>
> *From:* George Skorup <[email protected]>
>
> *Sent:* Friday, June 19, 2015 7:13 PM
>
> *To:* [email protected]
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gtek Communications deploys PMP 450
>
>
>
> Oh, sorry, forgot to mention that. Yes, I'm talking about the long
> mounting bolts and nuts. Haven't had a problem with the short hex head
> bolts that mate the mounts to the antenna itself. Except you really need to
> crank down on those. I tightened them to what I thought was good, but then
> I could still give them a slight push or pull and they moved. So I'm trying
> to tell the guys to make sure those are really nice and snug, but try not
> to wrench too tight on the mast clamp nuts. They did that.. and they still
> seized.
>
> On 6/19/2015 7:04 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
>   OK, on the 450 sectors, my recollection is the elevation adjustments
> are short hex head bolts that go into threaded inserts.  If those are
> seizing on people, I think I will just apply anti-seize goop (the good
> stuff with nickel dust in it) to them before assembly since I do that on
> the ground and there’s no need to touch the threads afterward.
>
>
>
> The ones that clamp it to the pipe are wiz nuts on long threaded bolts,
> those would be harder to use anti-seize on, and would be the best
> candidates to swap out for bronze nuts.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* George Skorup <[email protected]>
>
> *Sent:* Friday, June 19, 2015 6:13 PM
>
> *To:* [email protected]
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gtek Communications deploys PMP 450
>
>
>
> Yup, same here. Had to peak out a Force110 link and couldn't break the
> elevation nut loose, so we had to leave it a few dB off instead of breaking
> it off completely and/or bending the mounting plate.
>
> On 6/19/2015 5:56 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
>  I've had several of the SS nuts seize on the ePMP Force110's... which
> appear to be the exact same nuts as on the slightly-less-than-half a ton
> 3.65 sector I just put up.
>
> I would very much like to see Cambium switch to a different kind of nuts.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 5:05 PM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Have you actually experienced the SS nuts seizing?  Maybe I’ve been lucky,
> but I have not had trouble with that even after years.  I guess I should be
> putting anti-seize compound on them, but it’s so messy.
>
>
>
> Metric silicon bronze nuts look to be expensive, like in the $1 each
> range, to swap them out yourself.  Which of the many nuts would you want to
> be silicon bronze?  Just the 4 that hold it to the pipe?  Or also all the
> ones involved in the elevation adjustment?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* George Skorup <[email protected]>
>
> *Sent:* Friday, June 19, 2015 4:42 PM
>
> *To:* [email protected]
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gtek Communications deploys PMP 450
>
>
>
> I've pulled two up the tower by hand at once and the tower guys didn't
> complain, so they can't be that heavy.
>
> What I really wish Cambium would do, or talk Laird into doing, is
> replacing the nuts with silicon-bronze like LMG uses on their stuff. Or
> just go to galvanized. The stainless on stainless sucks. They're $500
> antennas and I shouldn't have to go buy extra shit for them.
>
> On 6/19/2015 3:45 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
>  I bet it's less than half a ton...don't be so dramatic =P
>
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
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> Troy, OH 45373
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>
>
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 4:44 PM, Matt <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > 3GHz and 5GHz I've only used the Cambium/Laird sectors. The patterns and
> > null-fill is excellent. So Matt, your new integrated AP antenna better be
> > good. :)
>
> Wish they made the sector mounting hardware out of aluminum.  You get
> 4 of them together and they weigh a ton.
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