<sarcasm> yes it is usually very hard to argue logic with republicans ;-)
"It’s very hard to argue logic with people who are uneducated, poor, and have been indoctrinated from birth to an ideology." </sarcasm> On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 3:45 PM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote: > If we are up front about it, Germany, Japan, etc…, it seems to work. But > we installed Democracies there with people who didn’t put ideology in front > of the rule of law. In the Middle East, ideology is the rule of law. It’s > very hard to argue logic with people who are uneducated, poor, and have > been indoctrinated from birth to an ideology. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard > *Sent:* Monday, November 16, 2015 1:04 PM > *To:* af <af@afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis > français > > > > It seems to have worked okay in Germany and Japan... but that was a bit > different. otherwise, I can't think of a case where it really ever has > worked. > > > > On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > My simple mind concludes whenever we go somewhere and attempt to alter the > political landscape by force or dirty tricks it always makes things worse > in the long run. Has it ever worked? > > > > When the people decide to change their situation then there is sometimes > lasting change. > > > > *From:* Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> > > *Sent:* Monday, November 16, 2015 12:38 PM > > *To:* af@afmug.com > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis > français > > > > I think you all are missing the point.... When it comes to foreign policy > it is done with all sides involved, along with the give and take, when > things go right, everyone stands up and says 'We did it".... when something > goes wrong, everyone stands up and says.. "He or She did it", and "I told > you so otherwise". > > > > Excuse the language but ... 'We have been F**ing in other Gov. affairs, > known and unknown for a very long time, and the results of such have > consequences which linger for a very long time..'.... It is easy to play > armchair political analysts with a short term view, but the picture changes > when the view expands with History..." > > > > case and point... How many here know and realize what is the cause of US > Iran's rocky relationship..... ? > > > > The roots of this is traced back to actions in the 1950's .... > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat > > (read the first sentence carefully, and then think of how you can have a > conversation with them about democracy ) > > > > While we is the west tend not to have long memories, and stay awake during > History Classes, those affected, tend not to forget ! > > > > > > Iraq is a similar deal...that country has Shia majority.... so it is very > likely that any Democratically elected gov will be tilted towards the > Shia's, that is not something US & Britain are in favor off, nor the > regional Arab dictatorships... thus the status quo.... > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > > > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Jeff Broadwick - Lists" <jeffl...@att.net> > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Monday, November 16, 2015 2:00:53 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis > français > > There are a number of actions, under a pretty wide set of circumstances, > where the US President can act without Congressional approval. All > Presidents push the boundaries. No one really wants to test the > Constitutionality of the War Powers Act (it's likely unconstitutional). > > Jeff Broadwick > > ConVergence Technologies, Inc. > > 312-205-2519 Office > > 574-220-7826 Cell > > jbroadw...@converge-tech.com > > > On Nov 16, 2015, at 1:47 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> > wrote: > > You are half correct. There a number of small facts that you have missed, > but if you follow the explanation, rightfully so. > > > > News organizations are in the business of making $. The only report what > they can sell in that particular market. e.g CNN supplies news feeds to the > world, it's just not the same news feed that they supply to everyone. News > feed, for the US is very different what they supply to their 'international > customers' > > > > This is true for all of the news broadcasters. > > BTW, Al Jazeera has been kicked out of many 'Muslim' countries due to > their coverage and reporting. > > BBC is commissioned by Her Majesty, as such the loyalty to the British > Empire... > > > > Here is the part that I don't understand...... > > > > Everything that I know about the US Gov. System, when it comes to foreign > policy the President cannot take uni-lateral action...it has to have the > Congress's blessing.. > > So why is it when one is talking about the US's actions, everyone refers > to it as if the US President is acting like any of the other dictators. > > > > Is is just a way to dump on a President cause he or she is from the other > party ? > > > > Last time I checked, irrespective of all the rhetoric from Washington, all > parties were equally responsible for participating in actions which have > lead to Foreign Policy failure after failure... > > > > Regards. > > > > > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > <supp...@snappytelecom.net> > > > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Monday, November 16, 2015 12:44:40 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis > français > > News as a disinterested third party, is pretty much dead. All news > organizations have a political leaning including BBC, Al Jazeera, and NPR. > In many cases it’s not what they report, it’s what they fail to report that > is just as bad or worse. BBC rarely reports anything negative about the > British Government and is as bad as the New York Times about not reporting > anything negative about a Democrat. Of course both of them do it, but the > amount of time or the amount of resources will be far less than the > opposite side of the side of the issue. Al Jazeera never reports anything > bad about the Muslim or Islamic faith and NPR is almost as bad as the BBC > when it comes to never saying anything about a liberal government. I think > NBC, CBS, and ABC have the same advisor telling them what negative > information not to report on Obama for example. As for NPR, they lost all > credibility with me when they fired Juan Williams because he said something > their management didn’t like and he is a huge liberal. > > > > There is an argument now that Google can pretty much influence an election > by a huge amount by pushing positive news information in their search > engine about their liberal candidate up while simultaneously doing the same > thing in a negative light towards a Conservative candidate. > > > > At this point, it’s pretty much up to us to watch news organizations from > both sides of the aisle and try to sort out the truth. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On > Behalf Of *Paul McCall > *Sent:* Monday, November 16, 2015 8:11 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis > français > > > > +1. Since we have a pretty good idea of what slant that CNN and Foxnews > will put on things without looking, respectively, I just glance at that > both once in a while. BBC is a good choice. > > > > Paul > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On > Behalf Of *Chuck McCown > *Sent:* Monday, November 16, 2015 9:34 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis > français > > > > BBC is good. Al Jazeera is surprisingly informative and seems to lack > spin. > > I listen to NPR continually. > > > > Card carrying GOP but am truly libertarian, cannot vote demo primarily due > to guns and the abortion issue. > > > > Fox news is like eating a whole bag of halloween candy. After watching > fox I have to watch some Rachael Maddow to be able to drive straight again. > > (In reality, I avoid TV news. Radio and Google News is were most of my > disinformation comes from). > > > > I don’t like apologists, religious or otherwise. I like the best truths I > can find. > > I really hate partisan politics. Blood sport all based on pride and self > aggrandizement. Does nothing for the people. > > > > *From:* Glen Waldrop <gwl...@cngwireless.net> > > *Sent:* Monday, November 16, 2015 7:20 AM > > *To:* af@afmug.com > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG][WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français > > > > You're right on one thing, politics is not as cut and dried as all of that. > > Obama is a jackass. > > Fox news is far from perfect. > > As a businessman though I recommend not calling your potential customers > dumb though. Fox may be a group of liars, but at this point in time they > are the least biased news source in the US (50% biased vs 100%). Pretty > much all of the rest of them are brown nosing the left so bad I can't see > how they haven't suffocated themselves. > > When I want news with little BS I tend to lean towards BBC myself. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Patrick Leary <patrick.le...@telrad.com> > > *To:* af@afmug.com > > *Sent:* Monday, November 16, 2015 7:24 AM > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG][WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français > > > > The world is such a simple place when everything is Obama’s fault. > > > > Somebody smashes a glass to the ground. 12 years later, people blinded by > partisanship blame the person who tried to glue some of the pieces back > together, but the glass still won’t hold water so it must be his fault. > Extremely disordered cognitive functioning. > > > > …Never mind the real subtleties all the “informed” people on the Right > seem to forget, chief among them that the IRAQI POLITICIANS SAID THE ONLY > WAY WE COULD KEEP OUR TROOPS IN COUNTRY WAS TO REMOVE THEIR IMMUNITY AND > MAKE THEM SUBJECT TO LIABILITY AND PROSECUTION. No one on this side of the > pond wanted that, from the DoD to BOTH parties. Of course, FOX viewers > either are too dumb to know this or intentionally pretend that was not the > reality, in order to take yet another “it’s Obama’s fault” grade school > insult. It’s just way more satisfying or simpler for their juvenile world > view to believe “it’s Obama’s fault!” What, are you 10 years old? > > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/05/world/middleeast/iraqis-say-no-to-immunity-for-remaining-american-troops.html?_r=0 > > > > People really need to educate themselves before spewing childish partisan > memes. > > > > Patrick > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On > Behalf Of *Rory Conaway > *Sent:* Sunday, November 15, 2015 8:53 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis > français > > > > We had our chance to stop it in Iraq, we cut and run. > > > > And you are right, we didn’t do the right bombing in Vietnam to stop that > war. And what Ford did at the end is the lesson Obama should have learned > which could have prevented much of what happened in the Middle East > including ISIS. Apparently they didn’t teach history to at Harvard. > Imagine the influence a multi-cultural and stable Iraqi government would > have had on the region. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On > Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman > *Sent:* Sunday, November 15, 2015 6:31 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis > français > > > > Collateral damage is highly underrated. Vietnam had no wholesale bombing > like WWII. that is one reason Vietnam, and the rest of these conflicts, > last so long. > The horror of war has to be brought to everyone, including those making > the decisions, to bring it to an end. > > But having said that, this Muslim extremists movement has been been going > on for about 700 years so it may be to much to expect to be out of war > again. There may be a lull, but I think the entire world has been drawn > into the middle East quagmire. > > The primary cause damn sure isn't a two degrees warming tend in a couple > decades. > > > > On Sun, Nov 15, 2015, 7:05 AM Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote: > > The problem is that they are basically imbedded with civilians. How do > you kill them without taking out everyone else. That is the problem we > have had all along. Door-to-door warfare is all that you can do but it’s > also the most dangerous for our soldiers and nobody is going to allow > wholesale bombing like Nixon did in Vietnam. > > > > We also burned a lot of good will in all the countries we need to do this > with when we got the local civilians to act as translators and informants > and abandoned them after the war, the highest profile of them the doctor in > Pakistan. Even he is still in jail years later but the reality is, nobody > trusts us any more in those regions. We are not a reliable ally. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Saturday, November 14, 2015 11:06 AM > *To:* Animal Farm <af@afmug.com> > > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis > français > > > > as much as i hate war and killing....I agree we need to make a parking lot > out of them... > > > Jaime Solorza > > Wireless Systems Architect > > 915-861-1390 > > > > On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > The more of this that happens, the more the rest of the world will unite > to rub them out. I am a hopeless optimist. > > > > *From:* Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > > *Sent:* Saturday, November 14, 2015 7:52 AM > > *To:* Animal Farm <af@afmug.com> > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG][WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français > > > > Yes. I am praying for them and the world. What a tragedy.. It is beyond > barbaric..its evil for the sake of evil. > > Jaime Solorza > > On Nov 13, 2015 10:15 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net> > wrote: > > > > Oui , et pas seulement cela , nos cœurs et nos prières pour tous ceux qui > sont touchés par cette Sensless actes brabaric . > > > > Faisal Imtiaz > > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > > > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Patrick Leary" <patrick.le...@telrad.com> > *To: *"WISPA General List" <wirel...@wispa.org>, "Telrad List" < > tel...@wispa.org>, af@afmug.com, memb...@canwisp.ca > *Sent: *Friday, November 13, 2015 7:46:29 PM > *Subject: *[WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français > > Tonght, chaque personne libre est un Parisien. > > > > Patrick Leary > > Telrad > > > > > > > ************************************************************************************ > This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by > PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer > viruses. > > ************************************************************************************ > > > _______________________________________________ > Wireless mailing list > wirel...@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > > > > > > ************************************************************************************ > This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by > PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer > viruses. > > ************************************************************************************ > > > > > > > ************************************************************************************ > This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by > PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer > viruses. > > ************************************************************************************ > > > > >