And which leader got us into Iraq and broke the status quo? Hussien was a
tyrant but no iSIS then..we never should have gone into Iraq the 2nd time
around. I know Cruz and others are blaming Obama for everything. He said
ISiS not getting any more real estate in Iraq and Syria. But you sound
like my two buddies who Never admit when the GOP guys do wrong. I am not
a craven lackey... I don't follow or believe everything politicians say or
do...Obama is not perfect...I don't agree with his abortion stance but he
is our president and deserves some modicum of respect. Plus he won ..
Twice...you can't have both ways....we had to accept the Bush terms....and
be honest...brutally honest... Which other President has been as misaligned
or vilified by the Right? We need to a united Nation to fend off this
terrorists...foreign and domestic...remember how quickly folks blamed
Foreigners for Oklahoma. Crazy is just that.... And my relatives still
think of Europeans as terrorists...we got here first...
On Nov 16, 2015 4:11 PM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:
>
> Sean, I’d love to take the bait but I can’t even think of something
smarmy to say with the devastation in Paris hours after our President says
that ISIS was contained. It’s a very sad moment. Unfortunately, when you
add in the millions who are now homeless, displaced, and dead, because our
governmental leaders, and by extension, the voters that put them in power,
I think that uneducated should also mean putting ideology in front of
common sense and the lessons of history. Iraq needed a heavy glove until
a satisfactory government structure that could be put in place over a
generation or more, until the hatred of the current generation was phased
out and a better society with more opportunity and education was put in
place. This wasn’t going to happen in an election cycle, especially with
the differences between the parties.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 3:55 PM
>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français
>
>
>
> <sarcasm>
>
> yes it is usually very hard to argue logic with republicans ;-)
>
>
>
> "It’s very hard to argue logic with people who are uneducated, poor, and
have been indoctrinated from birth to an ideology."
>
>
>
> </sarcasm>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 3:45 PM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net>
wrote:
>>
>> If we are up front about it, Germany, Japan, etc…, it seems to work.
But we installed Democracies there with people who didn’t put ideology in
front of the rule of law. In the Middle East, ideology is the rule of
law. It’s very hard to argue logic with people who are uneducated, poor,
and have been indoctrinated from birth to an ideology.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
>>
>> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 1:04 PM
>> To: af <af@afmug.com>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français
>>
>>
>>
>> It seems to have worked okay in Germany and Japan... but that was a bit
different. otherwise, I can't think of a case where it really ever has
worked.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> My simple mind concludes whenever we go somewhere and attempt to alter
the political landscape by force or dirty tricks it always makes things
worse in the long run. Has it ever worked?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> When the people decide to change their situation then there is
sometimes lasting change.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Faisal Imtiaz
>>>
>>> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 12:38 PM
>>>
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis
français
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I think you all are missing the point.... When it comes to foreign
policy it is done with all sides involved, along with the give and take,
when things go right, everyone stands up and says 'We did it".... when
something goes wrong, everyone stands up and says.. "He or She did it", and
"I told you so otherwise".
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Excuse the language but ... 'We have been F**ing in other Gov. affairs,
known and unknown for a very long time, and the results of such have
consequences which linger for a very long time..'.... It is easy to play
armchair political analysts with a short term view, but the picture changes
when the view expands with History..."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> case and point... How many here know and realize what is the cause of
US Iran's rocky relationship..... ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The roots of this is traced back to actions in the 1950's ....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat
>>>
>>> (read the first sentence carefully, and then think of how you can have
a conversation with them about democracy )
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> While we is the west tend not to have long memories, and stay awake
during History Classes, those affected, tend not to forget !
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Iraq is a similar deal...that country has Shia majority.... so it is
very likely that any Democratically elected gov will be tilted towards the
Shia's, that is not something US & Britain are in favor off, nor the
regional Arab dictatorships... thus the status quo....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>>
>>>> From: "Jeff Broadwick - Lists" <jeffl...@att.net>
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 2:00:53 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis
français
>>>>
>>>> There are a number of actions, under a pretty wide set of
circumstances, where the US President can act without Congressional
approval. All Presidents push the boundaries. No one really wants to test
the Constitutionality of the War Powers Act (it's likely unconstitutional).
>>>>
>>>> Jeff Broadwick
>>>>
>>>> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>>>>
>>>> 312-205-2519 Office
>>>>
>>>> 574-220-7826 Cell
>>>>
>>>> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 16, 2015, at 1:47 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> You are half correct. There a number of small facts that you have
missed, but if you follow the explanation, rightfully so.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> News organizations are in the business of making $. The only report
what they can sell in that particular market. e.g CNN supplies news feeds
to the world, it's just not the same news feed that they supply to
everyone. News feed, for the US is very different what they supply to their
'international customers'
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This is true for all of the news broadcasters.
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW, Al Jazeera has been kicked out of many 'Muslim' countries due to
their coverage and reporting.
>>>>>
>>>>> BBC is commissioned by Her Majesty, as such the loyalty to the
British Empire...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is the part that I don't understand......
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Everything that I know about the US Gov. System, when it comes to
foreign policy the President cannot take uni-lateral action...it has to
have the Congress's blessing..
>>>>>
>>>>> So why is it when one is talking about the US's actions, everyone
refers to it as if the US President is acting like any of the other
dictators.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Is is just a way to dump on a President cause he or she is from the
other party ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Last time I checked, irrespective of all the rhetoric from
Washington, all parties were equally responsible for participating in
actions which have lead to Foreign Policy failure after failure...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>>>>
>>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net>
>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 12:44:40 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis
français
>>>>>>
>>>>>> News as a disinterested third party, is pretty much dead. All news
organizations have a political leaning including BBC, Al Jazeera, and NPR.
In many cases it’s not what they report, it’s what they fail to report that
is just as bad or worse. BBC rarely reports anything negative about the
British Government and is as bad as the New York Times about not reporting
anything negative about a Democrat. Of course both of them do it, but the
amount of time or the amount of resources will be far less than the
opposite side of the side of the issue. Al Jazeera never reports anything
bad about the Muslim or Islamic faith and NPR is almost as bad as the BBC
when it comes to never saying anything about a liberal government. I think
NBC, CBS, and ABC have the same advisor telling them what negative
information not to report on Obama for example. As for NPR, they lost all
credibility with me when they fired Juan Williams because he said something
their management didn’t like and he is a huge liberal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is an argument now that Google can pretty much influence an
election by a huge amount by pushing positive news information in their
search engine about their liberal candidate up while simultaneously doing
the same thing in a negative light towards a Conservative candidate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At this point, it’s pretty much up to us to watch news organizations
from both sides of the aisle and try to sort out the truth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rory
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 8:11 AM
>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis
français
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> +1. Since we have a pretty good idea of what slant that CNN and
Foxnews will put on things without looking, respectively, I just glance at
that both once in a while. BBC is a good choice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 9:34 AM
>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis
français
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BBC is good. Al Jazeera is surprisingly informative and seems to
lack spin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I listen to NPR continually.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Card carrying GOP but am truly libertarian, cannot vote demo
primarily due to guns and the abortion issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fox news is like eating a whole bag of halloween candy. After
watching fox I have to watch some Rachael Maddow to be able to drive
straight again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (In reality, I avoid TV news. Radio and Google News is were most of
my disinformation comes from).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don’t like apologists, religious or otherwise. I like the best
truths I can find.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I really hate partisan politics. Blood sport all based on pride and
self aggrandizement. Does nothing for the people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Glen Waldrop
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 7:20 AM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG][WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis
français
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're right on one thing, politics is not as cut and dried as all
of that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Obama is a jackass.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fox news is far from perfect.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As a businessman though I recommend not calling your potential
customers dumb though. Fox may be a group of liars, but at this point in
time they are the least biased news source in the US (50% biased vs 100%).
Pretty much all of the rest of them are brown nosing the left so bad I
can't see how they haven't suffocated themselves.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I want news with little BS I tend to lean towards BBC myself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Patrick Leary
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 7:24 AM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG][WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis
français
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The world is such a simple place when everything is Obama’s fault.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Somebody smashes a glass to the ground. 12 years later, people
blinded by partisanship blame the person who tried to glue some of the
pieces back together, but the glass still won’t hold water so it must be
his fault. Extremely disordered cognitive functioning.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> …Never mind the real subtleties all the “informed” people on the
Right seem to forget, chief among them that the IRAQI POLITICIANS SAID THE
ONLY WAY WE COULD KEEP OUR TROOPS IN COUNTRY WAS TO REMOVE THEIR IMMUNITY
AND MAKE THEM SUBJECT TO LIABILITY AND PROSECUTION. No one on this side of
the pond wanted that, from the DoD to BOTH parties. Of course, FOX viewers
either are too dumb to know this or intentionally pretend that was not the
reality, in order to take yet another “it’s Obama’s fault” grade school
insult. It’s just way more satisfying or simpler for their juvenile world
view to believe “it’s Obama’s fault!” What, are you 10 years old?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/05/world/middleeast/iraqis-say-no-to-immunity-for-remaining-american-troops.html?_r=0
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> People really need to educate themselves before spewing childish
partisan memes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2015 8:53 AM
>>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis
français
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We had our chance to stop it in Iraq, we cut and run.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And you are right, we didn’t do the right bombing in Vietnam to
stop that war. And what Ford did at the end is the lesson Obama should
have learned which could have prevented much of what happened in the Middle
East including ISIS. Apparently they didn’t teach history to at Harvard.
Imagine the influence a multi-cultural and stable Iraqi government would
have had on the region.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rory
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2015 6:31 AM
>>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis
français
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Collateral damage is highly underrated. Vietnam had no wholesale
bombing like WWII. that is one reason Vietnam, and the rest of these
conflicts, last so long.
>>>>>>> The horror of war has to be brought to everyone, including those
making the decisions, to bring it to an end.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But having said that, this Muslim extremists movement has been been
going on for about 700 years so it may be to much to expect to be out of
war again. There may be a lull, but I think the entire world has been drawn
into the middle East quagmire.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The primary cause damn sure isn't a two degrees warming tend in a
couple decades.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 15, 2015, 7:05 AM Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The problem is that they are basically imbedded with civilians.
How do you kill them without taking out everyone else. That is the problem
we have had all along. Door-to-door warfare is all that you can do but
it’s also the most dangerous for our soldiers and nobody is going to allow
wholesale bombing like Nixon did in Vietnam.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We also burned a lot of good will in all the countries we need to
do this with when we got the local civilians to act as translators and
informants and abandoned them after the war, the highest profile of them
the doctor in Pakistan. Even he is still in jail years later but the
reality is, nobody trusts us any more in those regions. We are not a
reliable ally.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rory
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2015 11:06 AM
>>>>>>>> To: Animal Farm <af@afmug.com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis
français
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> as much as i hate war and killing....I agree we need to make a
parking lot out of them...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wireless Systems Architect
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 915-861-1390
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The more of this that happens, the more the rest of the world
will unite to rub them out. I am a hopeless optimist.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From: Jaime Solorza
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2015 7:52 AM
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To: Animal Farm
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG][WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis
français
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes. I am praying for them and the world. What a tragedy.. It
is beyond barbaric..its evil for the sake of evil.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Nov 13, 2015 10:15 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" <
fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Oui , et pas seulement cela , nos cœurs et nos prières pour tous
ceux qui sont touchés par cette Sensless actes brabaric .
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>>>>>>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>>>>>>>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>>>>>>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email:
supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Patrick Leary" <patrick.le...@telrad.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wirel...@wispa.org>, "Telrad List" <
tel...@wispa.org>, af@afmug.com, memb...@canwisp.ca
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 7:46:29 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Tonght, chaque personne libre est un Parisien.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Patrick Leary
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Telrad
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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