Haven't looked. The three or four entries I can see to find with these quotes are done by newspaper writers of the time.
On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 11:08 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > Does Snopes have an entry about this? > > *From:* Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> > *Sent:* Monday, December 07, 2015 10:07 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy > and why > > The best line, IMO: > "Cattlemen should unite in aiding the enforcement of the law against > carrying of deadly weapons." > > So basically, he's saying you shouldn't be allowed to carry. However, he > wants *you* (average cattleman) to enforce this provision... without > carrying. *eyetwitch* > > Anyway, I think this is an interesting blurb, but I'm going to have to go > back and check the sources and the context. I've never heard anything like > this before, so it's a bit surprising. > > On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Patrick Leary <patrick.le...@telrad.com> > wrote: > >> I’ll just note this is a pathetic thread to have in any society that >> considers itself civil. Hell, even in the “wild west” the local law had >> people check their weapons into the sheriff when they came into town. In >> fact, formerly, states like Texas lead the country in banning open carry. >> >> >> >> “All the more surprising, then, that Texas was the first state to ban >> its citizens from carrying handguns, a restriction that remained on the >> books for 125 years.” >> http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/politics/texas/article/First-to-ban-open-carry-Texas-could-be-one-of-5974401.php >> >> >> >> And just read this scholarly article from 1999: >> >> >> >> *Gun Control and the Old West* >> By Ross Collins >> History News Service <http://www2.h-net.msu.edu/~hns/index.html>, Summer >> 1999. >> >> The smoke has cleared, and we peer down at the victim: another gun >> control bill, shot full ‘o holes. Just like in the old horse operas: a hero >> again shoots to protect a precious freedom, America’s right to bear arms. >> For many who keep a romantic image of America’s past, gun control is like >> that, a battle steeped in American tradition. It calls us back to those >> legendary days of the Old West, when cowboys defended their honor and their >> horses by way of their Colts >> . >> In fact, most historians see the cowboys of the Old West as THE defining >> heroes of 20th-century America. He’s used to sell everything from soap to >> hats. He’s apparently also an ideal American for anti-gun control groups: >> gun shows and gun advertising promote from a distinctive Old West flavor. >> >> Today’s anti gun control forces count their strongest support among >> society’s leaders from the states that once formed part of the Old West. >> The actual Old West pioneers of historical fact viewed matters >> differently, however. They would certainly hail the campaign to protect an >> American right to bear arms, but the record puts them behind "moderate, >> common-sense measures" for gun control—the very kind that President Clinton >> has proposed. >> >> Pioneer publications show Old West leaders repeatedly arguing in favor of >> gun control. City leaders in the old cattle towns knew from experience what >> some Americans today don't want to believe: a town which allows easy access >> to guns invites trouble. >> What these cow town leaders saw intimately in their day-to-day >> association with guns is that more guns in more places caused not greater >> safety, but greater death in an already dangerous wilderness. By the 1880s >> many in the west were fed up with gun violence. Gun control, they >> contended, was absolutely essential, and the remedy advocated usually was >> usually no less than a total ban on pistol-packing. >> The editor of the Black Hills Daily Times of Dakota Territory in 1884, >> called the idea of carrying firearms into the city a “dangerous practice,” >> not only to others, but to the packer himself. He emphasized his point with >> the headline, "Perforated by His Own Pistol." >> The editor of the Montana’s Yellowstone Journal acknowledged four years >> earlier that Americans have "the right to bear arms," but he contended that >> guns have to be regulated. As for cowboys carrying pistols, a dispatch from >> Laramie’s Northwest Stock Journal in 1884, reported, "We see many cowboys >> fitting up for the spring and summer work. They all seem to think it >> absolutely necessary to have a revolver. Of all foolish notions this is the >> most absurd." >> >> Cowboy president Theodore Roosevelt recalled with approval that as a >> Dakota Territory ranch owner, his town, at the least, allowed "no shooting >> in the streets." The editor of that town's newspaper, The Bad Lands Cow Boy >> of Medora, demanded that gun control be even tighter than that, however. >> Like leaders in Miles City and many other cow towns, he wanted to see guns >> banned entirely within the city limits. A.T. Packard in August 1885 called >> "packing a gun" a "senseless custom," and noted about a month later that >> "As a protection, it is terribly useless.” >> >> Old West cattlemen themselves also saw the need for gun control. By 1882, >> a Texas cattle raising association had banned six-shooters from the >> cowboy's belt. "In almost every section of the West murders are on the >> increase, and cowmen are too often the principals in the encounters," >> concurred a dispatch from the Texas Live Stock Journal dated June 5, 1884. >> "The six-shooter loaded with deadly cartridges is a dangerous companion for >> any man, especially if he should unfortunately be primed with whiskey. >> Cattlemen should unite in aiding the enforcement of the law against >> carrying of deadly weapons." >> >> This echoes President Clinton’s reaction following the failure in >> Congress of the most recent gun control proposals: “The American people >> will not stand for this.” So far they have, however, as recalled by the >> record of defeated attempts to legislate control. As U.S. Rep. Martin Sabo >> (D.-Minn.) noted, “there’s broad public support for it, but he opponents >> are much more intense about it.” >> >> The Old West’s leaders who argued for gun control knew that a long time >> ago. Their arguments sound as contemporary at the end of this century as >> they were earnest at the end of the last. But despite them, few packers >> have been persuaded to put away their pistols, then or now. >> >> Copyright 2004 by Ross F. Collins <www.ndsu.edu/communication/collins> >> >> Wayne LaPierre sure has done his job well. He’s made most of you fooled >> into thinking owning a gun is a patriotic act without you realizing you are >> just another tool for raking in the dough. He’s been so successful he’s >> converted gun ownership into a religious issue, to point that whether or >> not you own a gun is highly predictive of your being an evangelical >> Christian. >> >> >> >> >> https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/is-gun-ownership-christian/2013/01/25/c7afe7fe-6724-11e2-93e1-475791032daf_story.html >> >> >> >> Patrick >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum >> *Sent:* Monday, December 7, 2015 11:38 AM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy >> and why >> >> >> >> I carry a Colt 45 Defender. It is relatively small for a 45. An NSA buddy >> of mine, who had been in several close range shootouts in his career asked >> me one time why I carry a 45. I told him that I'd never been in a >> firefight. I don't train in high pressure situations, and while I'm >> proficient at the range, I don't train for situations like he did or the >> cops do. If I am in a situation where I have to pull a gun, my adrenaline >> is going to be pumping like crazy, and I may be moving to cover or trying >> to stay out of the way of bullets myself. I may only hit what I'm shooting >> at once if I'm lucky. I want the once to count. >> >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 10:30 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm < >> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> define legally >> >> If a bear shits in the woods, will tight shoes cause callouses? >> >> >> >> I dont know why any of you want these killing machines, the government >> has guns, and we pay them to protect us. Your gun, if you hand it to a bad >> guy, is 100% of the time going to be in the bad guys possession, and if >> that bad guy happens to be 5, youve just given a child a handgun, are you >> saying we should arm children? Why are you trying to kill children, >> children are the future, teach them well and let them lead the way. >> >> >> >> >> >> Imperialist scum be furthering decline humanity. Mighty leader will >> devour you in fear. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 10:17 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >> >> Can you legally own hand grenades? >> >> >> >> *From:* Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> >> >> *Sent:* Monday, December 07, 2015 9:15 AM >> >> *To:* af <af@afmug.com> >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy >> and why >> >> >> >> you do if you want to conceal it... :P >> >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >> >> You don’t need a CC to carry a Springfield 30-06.... >> >> >> >> *From:* Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> >> >> *Sent:* Monday, December 07, 2015 9:03 AM >> >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> >> *Subject:* [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and >> why >> >> >> >> I am getting my CC permit (Florida) in a week or so. I took an >> absolutely excellent class from the main trainer at the Brevard county >> sheriff’s office. >> >> >> >> Now, I am looking for an excellent CC gun to use, as my long barrel Colt >> 38 is not a good fit for that. >> >> >> >> I am certain that this group probably has a LOT of expertise (and many >> opinions) on THE gun to use. >> >> >> >> J >> >> >> >> Paul McCall, Pres. >> >> PDMNet / Florida Broadband >> >> 658 Old Dixie Highway >> >> Vero Beach, FL 32962 >> >> 772-564-6800 office >> >> 772-473-0352 cell >> >> www.pdmnet.com >> >> pa...@pdmnet.net >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team >> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ************************************************************************************ >> This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by >> PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & >> computer viruses. >> >> ************************************************************************************ >> >> >> >> >> >> ************************************************************************************ >> This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by >> PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & >> computer viruses. >> >> ************************************************************************************ >> >> >
