if the product or service isn't available today for purchase then it is vapor until it is on the market...period.
it doesn't matter one iota how far along in the process they are, it's still vapor because i can't buy it today. what happens 18 months from now when they can't figure out X and X causes them to delay sales for 36 months? VAPOR no matter how cool or great a new technology or service is, if i can't purchase it then it doesn't really exist and if it doesn't exist then i can't make business decisions about it, or compare it to a product that is on the market. -sean On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 1:10 PM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote: > This one isn’t vaporware and with an electric car that doesn’t get charged > until evening, the value isn’t as high. Peroksvite is expected to be on > the market between 18 and 24 months. They are currently testing > manufacturing processes now. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett > *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 1:06 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies > > > > Rory, > > > > the "next great thing in solar" has been about to hit the market since > 1978 when Jimmy Carter was running around in sweaters. > > > > chuck's system is in place making energy and money today. > > > > you can't compare vapor-products to real world installed products. That's > like saying 5G cell phones are so much faster than the current 4G > ones...well maybe if you live in the year 2020 but not today. > > > > 2 cents > > > > -Sean > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 1:01 PM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> > wrote: > > Even with your ROI Chuck, and mine would be higher, if Peroksvite hits the > market in 3 years, the ROI, still makes it a better value. However, the > average person is still going to be at 7 years or more. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 12:58 PM > *To:* Animal Farm > > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies > > > > stop making sense Chuck....it makes head blow up > > > Jaime Solorza > > Wireless Systems Architect > > 915-861-1390 > > > > On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > It more than cut my power bill in half. > > > > *From:* Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> > > *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 12:09 PM > > *To:* af@afmug.com > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies > > > > It might have been reasonable until Perovskite was announced. It will > have an ROI in months. > > > > For me, a grid-tie system doesn’t make sense with the additional fees and > the difference in wholesale/retail, especially with an electric car that is > only home at night. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard > *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 11:53 AM > *To:* af > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies > > > > even at 7-11 years, that isn't that unreasonable, since they should have > quite a bit longer life span than that... and you don't need any storage > with a grid-tie system. > > > > On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> > wrote: > > Did you buy it wholesale and build it yourself? The average installation > commercially or through any of the solar companies is 7-11 years. Also, > what are you doing for storage? > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown > *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 11:43 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies > > > > I love my solar panels and the payback is about 4 years. > > > > *From:* Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> > > *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 11:15 AM > > *To:* af@afmug.com > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies > > > > The two biggest problems with Wind Farms besides the eyesore (actually I > think they look cool) is noise and bird deaths. Never been a fan of them > though. > > > > Right now I’m against taxpayer subsidized solar for three reasons, the ROI > is ridiculous, and better/cheaper technologies are right around the corner > (100 times cheaper and ROI’s of months, not years), and there is no > cost-effective storage medium that is going to last more than a few years > (Lithium batteries are expensive and will fail within 3-8 years or at least > be heavily degraded). When Perovskite panels come out with sodium > batteries or one of several other technologies that don’t start degrading > after 18 months, I’m onboard. > > > > As for people against technology that could better their lives. I’m more > worried about the ones that won’t teach proven science for religious > reasons. You can teach science and morality without ignoring the science. > Tolerance of ignorance never a good thing. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On > Behalf Of *Mathew Howard > *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 9:58 AM > *To:* af > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies > > > > As far as I can see all the crazy sucking the energy up and causing cancer > type comments all came from two people (who were not council members)... > who happen to share the same last name. > > It sounds like the reason they voted to reject it was because the > residents didn't want it there... which is kind of the town council should > be doing, whether their reasons for wanting it there are logical or not > isn't entirely relevant. Most of the objections appear to have been that it > would be an eyesore... on the other hand, if the majority of the residents > did want it to happen, and the town council was just persuaded to turn it > down because of a couple of nutcases ranting, they should (and probably > will) be voted out in the next election. > > > > On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Jay Weekley <par...@cyberbroadband.net> > wrote: > > I really didn't gather the full reason they banned the solar farm from the > article. True, two citizens that made comments were nuts but you find that > anywhere. > > Patrick Leary wrote: > > > Even worse Rory, because then you have many people who claim to know the > meaning of these labels but they are simply incorrect and are repeating > sound bites, and/or misapply them as a matter of course, even in > contradiction without a trace of irony. > > …e.g., “Obama is a follower of Reverend Wright!!!,” but is also a Kenyan > born Muslim. > > Go figure. It’s the death of critical thinking in this country. It has > spawned lots of ignorance. Did you know an elected city zoning board in > Woodland, NC just banned a solar farm on the grounds that it would steal > too much of the sun’s energy, thus putting photosynthesis of plants and > crops at risk? Yeah, that just happened in the U.S.A….in 2015. > > > http://www.roanoke-chowannewsherald.com/2015/12/08/woodland-rejects-solar-farm/ > > Patrick > > *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway > *Sent:* Sunday, December 13, 2015 8:32 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies > > I think that was misunderstood. My point was, regardless of the > candidates, is that the vast majority of voters simply don’t know the > facts, don’t care about the facts, and are not prepared to provide a vote > that is based on research and education. I can ask 10 people what the > Trans Pacific Partnership was about and 10 of them won’t have a clue. Show > a picture of Biden to 10 people and I’d be surprised if 8 of them recognize > him and his position in the government. Most of them don’t have any idea of > our country’s history, could tell you the difference between Democracy, > Socialism, and Communism, or even know who fought in World Wars, the Civil > War, or even which side won. The fact is, even with all the resources > available to the public today, the average voter is more ignorant today > than in the past. The all know the Kardashians but few of them could name > off their Senators or Congressman. This isn’t partisan, this is the state > of our country today. Picking out supporters of any candidate for being > ignorant is trite when the entire electorate is clueless. > > Rory > > *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Sunday, December 13, 2015 6:19 PM > *To:* Animal Farm > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies > > Not trying to offend anyone on list....I get kick out of all mayhem on > news...but if you do get offended....I can only say. If the shoe > fits...don't take it off. > > On Dec 13, 2015 6:08 PM, "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com <mailto: > part15...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > It's actually a sign of great intelligence to simultaneously hold two > opposite opinions at the same time. > > bp > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > On 12/13/2015 5:02 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote: > > I think calling people ignorant because they support an opposing > candidate is over simplification and pretty ignorant itself. > Trump is appealing to the base fears and anger for a large number > of people who believe nobody else is addressing th those concerns. > I had to laugh today. I saw some consultant interviewing a bunch > Trump supporters. Some lady said she didn't like Obama because he > was arrogant and thought to much of himself. I thought, "wait a > second. You are a trump supporter?" Doesn't Trump have nearly the > entire market cornered on that trait? > > On Sun, Dec 13, 2015, 6:50 PM Jaime Solorza > <losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > And I like Mickey Mouse's voice much better compared to Cruz > or Trumps... > > On Dec 13, 2015 5:44 PM, "Jaime Solorza" > <losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> > wrote: > > Lets fact check Rory....lol > > On Dec 13, 2015 5:03 PM, "Rory Conaway" > <r...@triadwireless.net <mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote: > > Really, and Hillary supporters don’t even acknowledge she sold > influence in that State Department for billions and took > hundreds of millions for bogus speeches. All candidates have > followers that really don’t know what’s going on so singling > out Trump is bogus if you don’t add the voters who thought > Obama was going to pay their mortgage (that was a real > Einstein moment). With 90% of the people not even knowing who > the vice-president is, you can always find idiots who will > vote for Mickey Mouse if he said he was for some hot political > topic. > > Rory > > *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com > <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Sunday, December 13, 2015 3:10 PM > *To:* Animal Farm > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies > > The scary thing Stefan is not Trump as much as his > followers...when they are interviewed it reminds how narrow > minded they are...they think professional wrestling is real > among other things but I might offend some on list... > > On Dec 13, 2015 2:26 PM, "Stefan Englhardt" <s...@genias.net > <mailto:s...@genias.net>> wrote: > > I said foreign view :-). We have very different laws and > thoughts on privacy. Our politicians are allowed to keep more > privacy. In such a case the private emails would not be open > to a broad audience. I did not say she followed US rules. > > -------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht -------- > Von: Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com > <mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> > Datum: 13.12.2015 21:40 (GMT+01:00) > An: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies > > > > > > > ************************************************************************************ > This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by > PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer > viruses. > > ************************************************************************************ > > > > > > > ************************************************************************************ > This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by > PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer > viruses. > > ************************************************************************************ > > > > > > > > > > >
