I have observed the heater running... if it's cold enough, if you power cycle the radios it will delay startup... it was around 0 degrees when I saw it happen, and there was a roughly 5-4 minute delay before the ethernet linked (apparently how long it runs depends on the temperature), and it was drawing significantly more power than normal during that time.
On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Ben Royer <operati...@royell.net> wrote: > The heater only runs on first boot if the temp. is too cold for the radio, > but once the radio is booted, it will not run again, per Cambium. For > power consumption issues, switching to a 48V power supply for your sync > injector works just fine. So far, that, combined with new FW, has resolved > most of our ePMP issues, on the problematic radios in our network. I’m > confident that a fully baked 2.6.1 should smooth out any remaining issues > related to the cold weather. > > Thank you, > Ben Royer, Operations Manager > Royell Communications, Inc. > 217-965-3699 www.royell.net > > *From:* Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> > *Sent:* Thursday, January 21, 2016 10:10 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] To Cambium With Love - Replace the bad ePMP units. > > Wasn’t there a post recently that the “heater” runs only during pre-boot, > unlike the Trango heater which ran “as needed”? > > The Trango heater was very problematic. > > > *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com > *Sent:* Thursday, January 21, 2016 10:06 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] To Cambium With Love - Replace the bad ePMP units. > > Trangos did. > > *From:* Steve D <bigd...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Thursday, January 21, 2016 8:30 AM > *To:* af <af@afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] To Cambium With Love - Replace the bad ePMP units. > > Just throwing this out there, but don't the epmp's have a small heater in > them that could be turning on when it's cold, drawing additional power? I > recall it was supposed to pre-heat components to avoid freezeup on first > boot but I can't recall if that's the only time they run or not. > > -Steve D > > On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 1:44 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) < > li...@packetflux.com> wrote: > >> I do want to clarify one item: >> >> This is not necessarily related to the cambium DRAM issue. I don't want >> to claim that problem, since this isn't the same thing. This is more of >> an issue where you have ePMP's which seem to start having power-related >> issues. If moving to a 30V brick makes your problem go away, then the >> issue I describe below probably is your issue. If moving to a higher >> voltage doesn't fix the issue then this probably doesn't relate to your >> issue. Regardless, it is my intent to recommend that my customers move to >> 48V as soon as I confirm that this seems to fix at least a decent number of >> the problems without causing others. >> >> Unfortunately this might be a case of the cold weather aggravating two >> separate issues (or for that matter, the cold weather causing increased >> current consumption in the ePMP, which then requires a higher voltage to >> operate correctly). >> >> -forrest >> >> On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 12:43 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) < >> li...@packetflux.com> wrote: >> >>> A bit of an update from the PacketFlux side. >>> >>> Late this afternoon I received a ticket from Tyson in relation to these >>> issues. In particular, sync from a PacketFlux SyncInjector dropping off on >>> an ePMP when it's cold. I have spent a bit of time this evening >>> investigating this issue. The following is a summary of what I found. >>> It's a bit long-winded so that those experiencing the problems can >>> understand my current working theory and help me figure out if this is the >>> case. >>> >>> WARNING: The following is based on a limited amount of testing with a >>> single ePMP with no traffic and no clients and on a bench. This is likely >>> the best case scenario. The field is only going to be worse. >>> >>> The setup is as follows: >>> >>> ePMP 1000 GPS AP, with no GPS hockey puck attached, connected to a >>> Gigabit Syncinjector (Rev H and Rev I - I have a special one with a port of >>> each 'type' ;-) ). I am powering the injector with a variable power >>> supply so I can vary the voltages in. The AP is connected to the Injector >>> with ~100m of CAT5 cable. The Antenna connectors have terminators on >>> them, the AP is in transmit mode, but isn't passing any traffic since there >>> are no clients. >>> >>> When feeding the injector with 24V, I get about 23V at the AP. This is >>> pretty consistent with what I would expect in this situation. The AP >>> seems to work fine, at least on the bench and without doing any real >>> work. However, as the voltage drops, things start to get weird: >>> >>> At around 22V in, (21V at the AP), Sync becomes flaky. This is >>> consistent on both H and I version ports on the injector. Sometimes it >>> works, sometimes it doesn't. Note that 22V is the bottom of the rated >>> voltage inputs for the ePMP. >>> >>> At around 20.5V in (19.5V at the AP), the radio just turns off. It >>> won't turn back on until around 22V. >>> >>> Now here's where some total speculation comes to play. On the bench, >>> this unit is drawing around 3W. Let's assume that under load, and when >>> temperatures are cold, this unit draws closer to 6W. This would double the >>> current, and quadruple the voltage drop. Now, assume 24V in, this puts you >>> at around 20V in at the AP, which is about the turnoff point. Remember >>> this is on 100m of wire, and a total speculation about a the power draw of >>> a cold, under load AP. But the point is valid, regardless of the cause - >>> if the circuit resistance when combined with the power load causes a low >>> enough voltage at the AP, weird things will happen. And since weird things >>> seem to start to happen around 22V, there just isn't much headroom at >>> 24V. >>> >>> This explains why things work well at 30V. >>> >>> For those who are having this problem I'd recommend trying increasing >>> the voltage into the SyncInjector. The Revision H injectors can safely >>> handle up to around 56V or so. Assuming all of the radios on an injector >>> are either ePMP or the newer 450i's, using 56V into a SyncInjector is >>> perfectly acceptable and the ePMP's are rated up to 56V as well. >>> >>> So the summary: Try a 48VDC voltage source instead of 24V and see what >>> happens. >>> >>> -forrest >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications >>> Inc <t...@franklinisp.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello Cambium, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> At the MidWest-IX launch party last night, several of us Indiana WISPs >>>> compared notes on the ‘cold weather’ problems we are seeing with ePMPs. It >>>> was very interesting to learn we are experience identical problems across >>>> the spectrum. >>>> >>>> We all understand this is a DRAM issue with certain units you have >>>> identified. We also understand the firmware RC that has been made >>>> available to fix this short term. >>>> >>>> The bottom line is we are very frustrated and grow tired of dealing >>>> with it. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Our concern is simple. If your software fix ‘degrades’ the performance >>>> of the product or triggers other issues, as it has been suggested, we would >>>> prefer a full recall and replacement program immediately. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> If the suggestion that the fix will degrade the product performance is >>>> inaccurate and not cause other issues, I would like for this to be made >>>> public. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *Tyson Burris, President* >>>> *Internet Communications Inc.* >>>> *739 Commerce Dr.* >>>> *Franklin, IN 46131* >>>> >>>> *317-738-0320 <317-738-0320> Daytime #* >>>> *317-412-1540 <317-412-1540> Cell/Direct #* >>>> *Online: **www.surfici.net* <http://www.surfici.net> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> [image: ICI] >>>> >>>> *What can ICI do for you?* >>>> >>>> >>>> *Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - >>>> IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure.* >>>> >>>> *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the* >>>> *addressee shown. 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