I had excellent luck in immediate shutdown until they got the copyright holder
to give me an all clear. I don’t think I ever lost a customer. Some of them
were down for a week or so at times.
From: Cassidy B. Larson
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2016 1:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DMCA Time Management Fee
We send the notice and call them after to make sure they ack it. On the third
strike, we suspend their service until they call in. Letting them know at that
time if we receive future notices it’ll be a $100 administrative fee per notice
we receive. They usually decide to go elsewhere at that point.
On Feb 2, 2016, at 1:45 PM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
Usually we send a couple notices and never hear about it again. They usually
quit the offending activity, or encrypt their traffic. When they just keep
going and going we have to do something.
On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 1:43 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
I will never forget the first time I shut somebody off for pirating a
movie. Porn movie. Turns out to be the kid of a principal of a local school.
Dad was pretty hot for being shut down until I explained the reason. I told
him once he makes nice with the copyright holder we can turn him back on. I
think he was worried it would leak into the press or the schoolboard would
become aware. That never happened.
From: Jeremy
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2016 1:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DMCA Time Management Fee
Yeah, we expect them to switch. We are uninstalling the equipment. I am
just trying to figure out how long we should ban them for. I really don't care
if they ever come back. Pirates are a hassle for me, and could potentially
land any of us in front of a judge.
On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Ryan Ray <ryan...@gmail.com> wrote:
Realistically if you shut me off I would switch to a new provider within
a day. I don't know what kind of person would stick around on a ban no matter
what the length of time is.
On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
For those of you who actually do some sort of enforcement, what amount
of time do you ban them for? I figure even at 90 days they will get a new
provider. So I was just going to go with one year. Is that excessive?
On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 1:32 PM, Justin Wilson <li...@mtin.net> wrote:
You designate an “agent” within your company. I typical register the
CEO, operations, or someone like that that as the agent. You would have no
issue registering yourself as the agent. I would recommend you create a
copyright@ e-mail address and use that as the designated e-mail contact. That
way you know a request to copyright@ is most likely someone following protocol.
It’s like CALEA. Their just needs to be the proper person on file to
contact, and server due process should it come to that.
Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net
---
http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth
http://www.midwest-ix.com COO/Chairman
On Feb 2, 2016, at 3:27 PM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
I really have no idea about that. So I need to hire an agent, and
then ignore all but the requests that come to me from that agent?
On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 11:59 AM, Justin Wilson <li...@mtin.net>
wrote:
The biggest thing I use in a determination is did they send it to
the Registered Copyright Agent on file? You do have one correct? :-)
http://copyright.gov/onlinesp/
If you have one, and it’s not sent to that agent, it’s not a real
request IMHO.
Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net
---
http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth
http://www.midwest-ix.com COO/Chairman
On Feb 2, 2016, at 1:34 PM, Josh Reynolds
<j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
It can't charge the copyright holder, but could it charge to
company
sending out the notices if they aren't the CRH? :)
On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 12:17 PM, Keefe John
<keefe...@ethoplex.com> wrote:
This has been discussed before, the DMCA safe harbor doesn't
allow the
provider to charge the copyright holder for this.
On 2/2/2016 12:03 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
That's going to end up in a big mess of a lawsuit
eventually.
On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 12:03 PM, Sterling Jacobson
<sterl...@avative.net>
wrote:
Haha!
If it’s against your AUP, make sure you have a clause in
there that says
you
charge per incident.
Then go ahead and charge the customer.
Sounds like if you are just going to kick them off
eventually, might as
well
try to keep them, but make it costly.
If they don’t pay it, then they are off.
Nothing legally wrong with it if its in your policy I
think.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That
One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2016 10:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DMCA Time Management Fee
Oh wow, youre seriously looking for a fight with customers
On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Jeremy
<jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
What do you thing about charging a fee every time that a
customer gets a
DMCA takedown notice. These notices take time to track
down and follow
up
on. If we charged $20 every time it would make it not
really worth it to
pirate that $10 movie. I would think that it should be
legal, so long as
we
add it to our customer agreement. Anyone ever thought
about this? Right
now we pass on 5 of them and then make them find a new
provider. It
seems
like they would be less likely to hit 5 if they had to
pay $20 for each
one.
We really don't want these guys on our network anyway, so
no sweat if
they
just cancel. Is anyone out there charging customers a
fee for these? I
know most of you just ignore them, but we like passing
them on, as it
lowers
our overall usage.
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