Satellite view of "some trees"?  1 mile with a tree or two shouldn't be too
hateful, but if it's a solid forest in that mile 900 is the better choice.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Ryan Mano <[email protected]>
wrote:

> ​yes pmp 450 AP with pmp450 sm
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> this will be installed with some trees in front of it but need to give
> them a lot of speeds this is why I chose this...if it doesn't work ill jest
> give then a 900 and end all these problems
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> *From:* Af <[email protected]> on behalf of Bill Prince <
> [email protected]>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 2, 2016 11:52 AM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] pmp450
>
> First.
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> The AP is a PMP450 AP. Correct?
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> Second.
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> The SM is a PMP450 SM. Correct?
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> Define "trees". I have a rule that we do not even attempt any 5 GHz
> devices through trees.
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> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
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> On 2/2/2016 8:50 AM, Ryan Mano wrote:
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> am waiting on another sm I really think I have a bad sm
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> am doing all what you guys are saying and nothing
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> can the 450 shoot though some trees of does it need line of site
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> -------- Original message --------
> From: George Skorup <[email protected]> <[email protected]>
> Date: 2016-02-01 8:53 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] pmp450
>
> Are you talking about the Cambium 60 degree sector that has the third
> connector for FSK (in the middle I think)? Or did you just put the FSK AP
> on the vertical port for testing before swapping to the 450 AP?
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> It will sit at 8X/1X QPSK MIMO-A while scanning to listen for beacons, so
> that is normal. I think you need to figure out why the SM can't hear the AP
> at range. Could be bad/damaged SM or AP. Do you have another SM or AP to
> try? Or RF pigtails between the AP and antenna. Easy way to get some idea
> of what's going on is to run the spectrum analyzer on the AP. Does it see
> anything at all?
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> On 2/1/2016 6:40 PM, Ryan Mano wrote:
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> It registers 12 feet in front of the AP at 8x/1x…if I point at it 1 mile
> down the road it will not link just says scanning
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> I only enable the  freq that the ap is using and unchecked all the
> rest…this is what I meant by isolating
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> AP eval shows nothing at 1 mile mark but close up it shows
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> So from what you guys are saying the first 8x means what the sm is capable
> of doing and the second number 1x is actual speed?
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> So if it registers at 1x…12feet in from the of ap then it would make sense
> that it would not see anything if I try it at a mile
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> Guess I will have to pass traffic through it to see if it works from what
> you guys are telling me
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> I know for a fact that the sector antenna works because I attached a
> pmp100 AP to it and that registered without any issues…do you think me
> plugging a pmp100 into the sector antenna would cause this?
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> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On
> Behalf Of *George Skorup
> *Sent:* Monday, February 1, 2016 5:09 PM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] pmp450
>
>
>
> OK, then it's not what I was thinking. If you had software on them older
> than 13.2 I believe, and you also had an AP where the factory reversed the
> pigtails internally, your beacons would end up on horizontal instead of
> vertical and the SM probably wouldn't hear it.
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> You say you're getting 8X/1X but it's also not registering. That does not
> compute. As other have suggested, try locking down the SM's scan list to
> the exact frequency and channel bandwidth that the AP is on. Tone alignment
> helps. If you can get a laptop, tablet, phone, etc. and look at the Tools >
> AP Eval page on the SM, does anything show up there? That's one of the
> first things our techs are supposed to do when troubleshooting on-site. If
> it's obviously not an alignment issue, log in and look at the AP eval.
>
> On 2/1/2016 3:46 PM, Ryan Mano wrote:
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> Running 5.7 software ver 14.1.1
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> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On
> Behalf Of *George Skorup
> *Sent:* Monday, February 1, 2016 4:42 PM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] pmp450
>
>
>
> There still seems to be some misconception on this. 8X/1X means that it's
> 8X capable / 1X current. It's always going to show 8X capable (or 2X for
> FSK, 3X for 430). After the / is what you need to pay attention to. Also,
> the uplink and downlink are independent. On the AP session status page
> (power tab), that's the downlink rate to that SM. On the SM main page, link
> status, etc., that's the uplink rate to the AP.
>
> What band is this? 2.4, 3.6, 5.4 or 5.7? And what software version do you
> have on the radios? It'd be best to stick with 13.2.1 for now.
>
> For the longest time I too thought this was backwards. I assure you it's
> correct.
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> On 2/1/2016 2:26 PM, Ryan Mano wrote:
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> 8x down 1x up
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> this is the first sm am trying to install on it
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> ​
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> the freq am on is very clean not sure what the problem is....unless am
> missing a setting?
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> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Af <[email protected]> <[email protected]> on behalf of
> Josh Luthman <[email protected]> <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* Monday, February 1, 2016 3:17 PM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] pmp450
>
>
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> Signals on each side?
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> 8x down 1x up?  Could be an uplink path issue or heavy interference at the
> AP side.  Have you changed frequencies?  Spectrum analysis?  Is this the
> first SM on the AP?
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>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Ryan Mano <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> am new to the pmp450 looks straight forward but am having issues
> registering it from a distance​
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> when I point the sm  which is 12 feet in front of the ap it syncs 8x by 1x
> ...but if I go 1mile down the road it doesn't register at all
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> not sure what am doing wrong...has anyone had this similar issue like this?
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