The Radwin 5000 jet won product of the show...but the reps were assholes...the Cambium crew were cool and answered my questions well. Met Sakid Ahmed...picked his brain.... Ericsson has a new high powered system coming out.. the SAF guys had their hand held spectrum analyzers actually turned on and measuring 5GHz ...pretty sweet. On Feb 25, 2016 9:05 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Probably like the farmers here that do their own electrical work rather > than pay an electrician. Some do really nice work. Then there are the > other 95%. My installer will say “there was an outlet there for the POE, > but it was farmerized”. So maybe loose wires not in conduit, neutral used > as ground, no faceplate, and the box held to a stud with rusty visegrips. > But no inspection required, so why pay a professional? > > One customer needed a security camera in his barn. Anything I quoted was > too expensive. So he got a webcam at a big box store and some Cat5 cable > and ziptied it to the overhead power wires. OK, there are reasons we can’t > do it that way. Being a professional means you get paid, but it also means > you carry liability insurance, get sued if you kill someone or burn down > their house, or at least have to go back and fix it when you didn’t do it > right the first time. It also means you are depending for your income on > referrals. You can get government contracts based on low bid, but more > discriminating customers rely on referrals and ratings. > > > *From:* Lewis Bergman <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Thursday, February 25, 2016 9:39 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tessco Show > > We will have to agree to disagree. I fire people that do shoddy work. I > also routinely do site reviews after work is complete and have the work > redone if required. Most of the people that I know in my industry do the > same. Of course I only know the Motorola service organizations and out of > those only the ones that have been around a long time. Anyway, looks like > you have had some bad experiences of your own. Can't wait to hear from > Jaime on what else he learned. > > On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 9:27 AM Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I meant enthusiast, whether an unpaid HAM or a paid EOC Director. Doesn't >> matter. >> >> I think you place too much faith in people paid to do something. Most do >> it poorly. >> >> I think most public safety agencies are like most WISPs. Some do it >> great, most do it good enough, while some are a pile of shit. >> >> Now once you get to the low bidder half of your message, I think you're >> largely spot on. >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" <[email protected]> >> *To: *[email protected] >> *Sent: *Thursday, February 25, 2016 9:22:15 AM >> >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Tessco Show >> >> I agree that an enthusiast will likely try to do a better job, especially >> since they are likely working on their own equipment. An enthusiast isn't >> likely to take a week off of work, travel to a class 3 states away, and pay >> thousands of dollars to become certified in proper R56 grounding >> installations for instance. Not that a class teaches something you can't >> learn from various sources, just that we have to do it and it gets done. A >> HAM doesn't have to make the effort, while some will, many won't. >> But you are correct in detecting a "shortness". >> Sadly, where tax dollars are concerned, the low bidder normally wins >> which in many cases results in a lower value for the dollar spent. The >> exercises are meant to expose equipment and procedural short comings and do >> a pretty decent job of that. As for the SHTF, our public safety agancies >> use their gear every day all day. The SHTF every day. Of course a Catrina >> doesn't happen every day. Sadly, when you tell someone their system is >> vulnerable because the genset they have is 25 years old and won't start or >> the batts need to be replaced or a hundred other things the response is >> usually We don't have the budget for that" or "I don't see why I need it >> because I can talk on my system now" >> >> On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 8:10 AM Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I just saw the "shortness" in the various HAM related threads. >>> >>> I think we'll agree that an enthusiast (paid or not) will do a better >>> job than someone just showing up. As a tax-payer, you sure would hope that >>> those you're paying to do the job are doing it better, but there's by no >>> means a guarantee of that. Unfortunately, no one knows how good or bad a >>> system is until the SHTF. True, the most egregious of problems are found >>> during drills, but they're not 100%. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" <[email protected]> >>> *To: *[email protected] >>> *Sent: *Thursday, February 25, 2016 7:56:33 AM >>> >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Tessco Show >>> >>> You would be as justified to say there are a wide variety of >>> professional skill levels of radio people as I am in saying the same about >>> HAM's skill sets. But I will say, on average, a person paid and tested >>> daily on a subject should be better at those tasks than someone doing them >>> when they have spare time. >>> I think we agree more than you might think. My apologies if I struck a >>> sensitive chord. >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2016, 7:14 AM Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Having seen many "professional" systems, I'm not sure that's much of a >>>> benchmark. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" <[email protected]> >>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>> *Sent: *Thursday, February 25, 2016 7:07:36 AM >>>> >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Tessco Show >>>> >>>> While I have had many bad experiences I also employ several HAMS. The >>>> question at hand was "Why don't emergency personal involve HAMS in their >>>> operation readiness exercises?". I was merely offering a reason. These >>>> public safety officials are professionals, not amateurs, and are typically >>>> being evaluated during these exercises. >>>> >>>> The only HAM's I have issues with are the ones that cannot accept they >>>> are amateurs. Just like flying a drone doesn't qualify you to fly a 747, >>>> being a HAM doesn't qualify you to design a public safety radio system or >>>> run an EOC. Some HAM's are qualified, but many are not. With proper >>>> training, as someone mentioned in a different thread, there is a real place >>>> for them that can benefit public safety. >>>> >>>> We just installed a P25 radio system in a hospital EOC and as part of >>>> it We installed additional coax lines so that HAM's could more easily be >>>> integrated into the operations there. So, I do work with them. >>>> >>>> I only have issues with two types of HAM's or anyone around a specific >>>> industry. >>>> >>>> 1. freeloaders - Don't ask me to give you something free just >>>> because you like doing it. this is my business, not my hobby. >>>> 2. Know it all - I have been in the radio business officially since >>>> I was 9 (first FCC license issued). I am a paid, highly trained >>>> professional with a lot of education and experience in the field. Just >>>> because you read a book and took a test doesn't mean you know >>>> everything. I >>>> don't know everything either, by I recognize it. >>>> >>>> These things cross all boundaries. I also didn't like some geek telling >>>> me how I should configure my large IP topology because he once configured a >>>> Linksys router at his grandmother's house so his XBox would function and it >>>> worked. Know your place, that is all I am saying. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 9:00 PM Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm guessing Lewis and one or two others have had some sort of bad >>>>> dealing with a HAM and now hate the all forever for any impractical >>>>> reason. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>
