I find it interesting that Rory says I’m a “liberal”, I’m not sure how he
defines that or how he would know, other than I disagreed with him on something.
Actually I could be described as a Goldwater conservative, I was too young to
vote, but literally had an AuH20 sticker on my bike and read every word of
Conscience of a Conservative. I grew up during the Eisenhower years. I voted
for Reagan and the first Bush. I was 18 in 1968, had a high enough number in
the draft I didn’t get sent to Vietnam, but wasn’t a hippie radical. Unlike
Bernie Sanders, I didn’t even smoke pot (consumed a lot of alcohol though).
The 1968 election season was pretty crazy. I actually supported Reagan in
campus rallies, that was his unsuccessful first bid, unfortunately we got
Tricky Dick and Spiro Agnew. I remember Richard J. Daley’s thugs cracking
heads in the streets outside the Democratic Convention. That had nothing to do
with ideology, Daley could care less about Vietnam war protesters, it was about
raw political power and no one was going to make him look bad when his party
held a convention in his city. Oops, he ended up looking bad anyway.
If I’m not a liberal, what other preconceived notions could be wrong? Oh no,
maybe I’m black, or Hispanic, or Muslim! Maybe I’m a black Hispanic gay Muslim!
Actually, I believe most people are both conservative and progressive.
Progress is good, but don’t fix what ain’t broke.
From: Glen Waldrop
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:18 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
Wow.
Way to gang up guys.
I have to agree with Rory here. Black Lives Matter has all but become the
mirror image of the KKK. Sure, some of them are doing it for the right reasons,
but like environmentalists, feminists and dozens of other –ists the wackos have
hijacked what could have been something powerful, something good, and gone
*way* over the line.
One common thing among those groups are the very vocal fringe left.
I’m sitting here in the middle watching both sides go completely apeshit crazy.
Can no one sit back and look at the big picture?
Are we so divided that logic has completely left the discussion? It certainly
seems that way and not just on the list.
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:02 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
You know Rory, as long as it's "conservatives versus liberals" and liberals are
the scum of the earth, you're never going to listen to reason.
For the most part I F6 your posts because they all seem to go down the same rat
hole. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder.
bp
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On 3/12/2016 8:56 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:
You know what Ken, let’s do this.
You need me to sound racist because your liberal mindset is that everyone is
a victim. I probably have a much wider diversity of friends, business
partners, and colleagues than you do and never has anyone ever called me
racist. Because I abhor racial division and call it out for what it is, an
excuse for failure and control by race hustlers, I’m a racist. That’s the
pea-brained mentality of the intellectually dishonest. You simply can’t
understand that there are those of us who don’t care about race, we simply
don’t have time for it in our lives and we don’t see it. However, we can
define the problems created by race, race hustlers, and liberals who don’t want
to face facts, just blame everyone else for their problems and failures.
What I care about is that there is a class of people that are not
assimilating into society because nobody wants to face the facts. You would
rather stick your head in the sand and call out those of us who see the truth
racists. Here is a fact, not having a solid family support system, not
following the law, and not working hard is a recipe for failure, regardless of
the race. If you don’t want to face that fact, so be it. Stick your head in
the sand, blame me and call me names, and stand by while our country falls
apart because you don’t have the intellectual honesty to face that fact that
the greatest country in the world is falling apart from within and from the
outside. Hell yes, I want our borders sealed and immigrants required to learn
our language and honor our heritage. Hell yes I want every child to get a good
education that honors this country, the founders that gave it to us, and the
men and women who died to protect it. And until we recognize that keeping an
entire culture in poverty and ignorance by not expecting them to excel is a bad
thing, then we as a country are doomed to further internal violence, strife,
and separation. I don’t care about the color, I care about the fact that
color is used as an excuse.
The sad part is it’s not just any specific culture, it’s the entire
generation. There isn’t a manufacturer here that doesn’t have engineering
outside this country because they can’t find enough engineering talent within
our own borders because our culture and education failed an entire generation.
And as for Obama, his policies have escalated this problem, including
unemployment, a poor economy, lower standards of living, hatred of police and
authority, and racial division and escalation. So if you are big supporter of
him, congratulations, you picked a real winner there. You want the truth,
that’s it. So bring it on Ken. I’ll back my conclusions with the facts from
the Census bureau, the FBI, the U.S Department of the Interior, the U.S. Bureau
of Labor, and the Bureau of Economic Analysis but those facts won’t matter will
they?
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
Yes, I think your statements sound racist, and finally I call your out for
it. Why is that over the line? You have made some pretty inflammatory
statements, but it seems you can’t take any criticism?
We have a WISPA conference coming up. One thing I always notice is we are
not a very diverse crowd. Almost all white men. That leads to the belief that
prejudice is OK because everyone here thinks that way too.
From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
That’s out of line Ken, at any level. What matters to me is that the
violence fostered by ignorant people in our society who don’t contribute, but
foster racial hatred and disdain for the Constitution, the Laws of this
country, and want special treatment. I don’t give a crap what color they are
but they keep bringing it up. Black Lives Matter, Black Caucuses, etc… The
rest of us just want everyone to be Americans but it’s liberals that won’t let
race go because they need it to stay in power.
You want to attack me for my beliefs Ken, that’s fine. You want to call me a
racist, what I really want to tell you will get me banned. I’m done with this
and Ken, please don’t ever speak to me again. You went too far.
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:17 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
Black people really seem to set you off.
From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
Faisal, I’m ready to continue our other discussion. BTW, Black Lives Matter
showed up to the Chicago rally and now there is looting and gun fire. I really
doubt the Trump supporters are doing that.
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 7:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
I hope you realize that everyone participating in this discussion is an
Adult, and a Patriot. Everyone is very much concerned about the future of our
great nation. The discussion is over the events as they are unfolding.
It is very interesting to me, as an independent, that folks on the right are
so upset, and so polarized in their view that they are willing to accept bad
behavior from anyone of their affiliated party, since that person can do
nothing wrong and the other side cannot do nothing right...
I fully understand that everyone is passionate, but exchange of views in a
polite healthy manner is the proper decorum, watching the GOP primaries turn
into a circus act is embarrassing, because the world is watching, and to see
folks trying to explain and justify is even more troubling.
Bad behavior is bad behavior, it should be called out, and it should not bt
acceptable at any level from anyone. While the media is fully responsible for
fueling the fire and covering only the inciting stuff.... watch closely the
clips of trouble at the Trump rallies, there appears to be an steadily
increasing amount of 'supporter participation' in this bad behavior.... (when
someone is being lead out, by security there are folks hitting and throwing
punches at the person being lead out....).. and Mr Trump constantly refuses to
condemn such behavior, which indicates approval.
While you can explain it and justify it which ever way you want, some of us
who have had a broader view of the world, have seen this type of behavior and
events , in the other parts of the world.. and the end results were not very
good for anyone.... As such their is rising concern.
The GOP is playing with Fire, one they think they can control....
historically speaking when that particular type of genie is let out of the
bottle, no one has been able to control it .....
:)
Regards
Faisal Imtiaz
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From: "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:05:42 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
Jaime, travel to the WWII museum and learn about the sacrifices we made as
a country to stop men like Hitler. You have so mischaracterized what Trump is
saying but I’d rather take this discussion elsewhere to someplace like
Facebook.
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 6:59 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
Fault? Its human nature....you push me and I push back...most fights
start that way...literally and figuratively... Trump doesn't deny he has asked
him audience to beat the crap of those "bad dudes"...let's go back to old
days....what civil rights riots? Wallace? Lynching? He is playing to the
older white man who fears foreigners are taking over the US. Xenophobia was one
of Hitler and others methods used to create a fervor and led to murder of
millions. i have a different perspective on things from my ancestors and
upbringing plus traveling. Travel outside USA and your eyes open a bit more.
I normally stay quiet on politics but not this time.....too much at
stake...Trump will not win.
