There's working NLOS and there's "working" NLOS.

IMO, when you're "working" NLOS at 2.4 or 5ghz you're still going to have inconsistent mod levels and you'll have some packet loss.

Then there's NLOS like "a few trees at one end of the path" and there's NLOS like "solid trees for 1000 meters".

I wish you the best of luck in whatever your mission is, but if you keep expectations low then you won't be disappointed.


Yea, I need the capacity though. 100Mbps isn’t going to cut it although it may be my only option to start. Field test time.

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Saturday, April 23, 2016 8:02 AM
*To:* af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration

That would be much more solid in the tree situation.

*From:*Mathew Howard <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Friday, April 22, 2016 11:14 PM

*To:*af <mailto:af@afmug.com>

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration

It's limited to a 20mhz channel, so I think like 120Mbps aggregate... or something like that.

On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 11:01 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

What is the new 900 MHz Cambium supposed to do flat out?

*From:*Mathew Howard <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Friday, April 22, 2016 8:29 PM

*To:*af <mailto:af@afmug.com>

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration

Indeed, a bit odd... I've never known 5ghz to work better than 2.4ghz nlos :P

I would just try it and see what it does... even if you just test it with a pair of PowerBeams (or better yet, Rockets with 2`dishes), you should be able to get a pretty good idea what the airfibers are going to do.

On Apr 22, 2016 8:41 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:

    Something that takes a larger channel width to make the same
    throughput (losing sensitivity due to thermal noise in the
    process) vs an FPGA radio at half the frequency through trees? :P

    Just seems like an odd tip.

    On Apr 22, 2016 8:35 PM, "Keefe John" <keefe...@ethoplex.com
    <mailto:keefe...@ethoplex.com>> wrote:

        What about a b5?

        On April 22, 2016 8:32:36 PM CDT, Rory Conaway
        <r...@triadwireless.net <mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:

            We would need at least 150Mbps to start but as much as I
            could get is what I need. I don’t have a bucket truck but
            I can do a reasonable test up there to get an idea with
            both 2.4 and 5GHz.

            Rory

            *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
            <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
            *Sent:* Friday, April 22, 2016 5:53 PM
            *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
            *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree
            Penetration

            200 megs in 10 MHz? AF2x?????

            Josh Luthman


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            On Apr 22, 2016 8:48 PM, "Jaime Solorza"
            <losguyswirel...@gmail.com
            <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

            Hold on..you'd be surprised what 5 and ,,,10mhz channels
            at 2.4 can penetrate...can you test Rory with some masts
            or bucket truck?  I am make a rig for my truck to mount a
            30 ft tower and have a mast to go maybe  15 ft higher...
            Some projects are requiring path validations on federal
            property.... So bucket truck at one end and my rig at other...

            On Apr 22, 2016 6:39 PM, "Josh Luthman"
            <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
            <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

            Like 0?

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            On Apr 22, 2016 8:33 PM, "Rory Conaway"
            <r...@triadwireless.net <mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
            wrote:

            What are the chances of an AF2 with parabolic dishes going
            through .9 miles of trees with at least 200Mbs assuming no
            interference?

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