We will be doing the test in about a week including a couple other antenna 
variation ideas to see what happens.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 6:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration

There's working NLOS and there's "working" NLOS.

IMO, when you're "working" NLOS at 2.4 or 5ghz you're still going to have 
inconsistent mod levels and you'll have some packet loss.

Then there's NLOS like "a few trees at one end of the path" and there's NLOS 
like "solid trees for 1000 meters".

I wish you the best of luck in whatever your mission is, but if you keep 
expectations low then you won't be disappointed.

Yea, I need the capacity though.  100Mbps isn’t going to cut it although it may 
be my only option to start.  Field test time.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 8:02 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration

That would be much more solid in the tree situation.

From: Mathew Howard<mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 11:14 PM
To: af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration

It's limited to a 20mhz channel, so I think like 120Mbps aggregate... or 
something like that.

On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 11:01 PM, Chuck McCown 
<ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
What is the new 900 MHz Cambium supposed to do flat out?

From: Mathew Howard<mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 8:29 PM
To: af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration


Indeed, a bit odd... I've never known 5ghz to work better than 2.4ghz nlos :P

I would just try it and see what it does... even if you just test it with a 
pair of PowerBeams (or better yet, Rockets with 2`dishes), you should be able 
to get a pretty good idea what the airfibers are going to do.
On Apr 22, 2016 8:41 PM, "Josh Reynolds" 
<j...@kyneticwifi.com<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:

Something that takes a larger channel width to make the same throughput (losing 
sensitivity due to thermal noise in the process) vs an FPGA radio at half the 
frequency through trees? :P

Just seems like an odd tip.
On Apr 22, 2016 8:35 PM, "Keefe John" 
<keefe...@ethoplex.com<mailto:keefe...@ethoplex.com>> wrote:
What about a b5?
On April 22, 2016 8:32:36 PM CDT, Rory Conaway 
<r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
We would need at least 150Mbps to start but as much as I could get is what I 
need.  I don’t have a bucket truck but I can do a reasonable test up there to 
get an idea with both 2.4 and 5GHz.


Rory


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 5:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration



200 megs in 10 MHz?  AF2x?????

Josh Luthman

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On Apr 22, 2016 8:48 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hold on..you'd be surprised what 5 and ,,,10mhz channels at 2.4 can 
penetrate...can you test Rory with some masts or bucket truck?  I am make a rig 
for my truck to mount a 30 ft tower and have a mast to go maybe  15 ft 
higher... Some projects are requiring path validations on federal property.... 
So bucket truck at one end and my rig at other...
On Apr 22, 2016 6:39 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

Like 0?

Josh Luthman
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On Apr 22, 2016 8:33 PM, "Rory Conaway" 
<r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
What are the chances of an AF2 with parabolic dishes going through .9 miles of 
trees with at least 200Mbs assuming no interference?

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