I would love to be able to ditch 2.4ghz, but unfortunately that just isn't an option at this point. 900mhz and 3.65ghz gear that works is just too expensive for low density towers.
On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 9:29 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > Which and what type of urban environment? > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > *From: *"David" <dmilho...@wletc.com> > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Friday, June 3, 2016 9:17:12 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP > > We have removed ANY 2.4 on our network and let it be the indoor useful IOT > access for all. > Urban areas is just to high for 2.4 in general. > 3.65 pmp450 has brought us mucho success in this area and the newest 900 > 450i rocks. I just need those KP higher gain cpe Ant to get a little deeper > distance from the tower. > > We have a few customers on new 900 running 17-20 Mbs through the thickest > crap around 3 mile out some less than this but with a little more cpe gain > we will get this. > > With the dense urban area we have there is no way I could use epmp at my > dense tower locations or ubnt for that matter. I do however have about 15 > subs on a single epmp AP in an area that does fine with 10Mbx10Mb service > rate. > The coolest thing about that site is that it has 2 epmp panels back to > back on same channel using the gps sync working great. > > > > On 06/02/2016 05:05 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > > I can only warn you that you'll have a very angry set of customers. > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 6:03 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> I've been meaning to do a direct comparison between the two, by swapping >> one of our UBNT 2.4ghz APs to an ePMP and keeping the exact same antennas >> and everything else... I just need to figure out where I can do it that's >> going to give me some useful information and not make too many customers >> angry. >> >> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 4:49 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller < >> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote: >> >>> >>> I do not believe we have had both on the same tower. We had diverted to >>> doing epmp 2.4 not long after it came out as we had lots of problems with >>> ESD on ubnt 2.4 rockets. Changed some things and they are surviving storms >>> much better. >>> >>> Tests near EPMP vs. tests on other towers (3 miles away? - totally same >>> environment) just revealed in dramatically different results. Not as much >>> speed, maybe, but at least we're getting a usable signal up to a mile or >>> two away. With epmp we're lucky to get a mile way. >>> >>> Understand we are in THICK tree country. 900 is still our primary >>> product >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> *From:* Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> >>> *To:* af <af@afmug.com> >>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 4:31 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP >>> >>> But does it actually perform worse that UBNT 2.4ghz on the same link, or >>> is it maybe just differences in how they calculate signal levels? It >>> doesn't make any sense that two different radios running on the same >>> frequency putting the same amount of power into the same antennas would >>> give significantly different signal levels... >>> >>> The closest thing I've done to a comparison was playing with a Force 200 >>> 2.4ghz in wifi mode... there didn't seem to be a significant difference >>> between it and a PowerBeam connecting to the same AP. >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Josh Luthman < >>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >>> >>>> And I've tried IT Elite dual pol panels, Force 200 2.4, integrated + >>>> reflector for CPEs. Continues to suck. >>>> >>>> >>>> Josh Luthman >>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>> Suite 1337 >>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 5:08 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I’m thinking more the CPE antennas. >>>>> >>>>> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net> >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:59 PM >>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> hmm, i will check into that. Pretty sure with ubnt we're using kp >>>>> performance. With epmp, i think it is bundled antennas... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> *From:* Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> >>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:50 PM >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP >>>>> >>>>> Jay, I suspect the difference you are seeing may be mainly in the >>>>> antennas. 2.4 GHz from any vendor should penetrate the same, the radio >>>>> waves don’t care what brand radio launched them. And I think the >>>>> difference between the platforms will be most evident in low interference >>>>> environment where they can achieve their full modulation and throughput. >>>>> With low SNR, I think it’s kind of like arguing Ferrari vs Porsche for off >>>>> road racing, neither will be able to show off its capabilities. Receiver >>>>> sensitivity and bits/sec/Hz won’t matter. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net> >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:28 PM >>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Also interested in interference rejection of the pmp450 - is there >>>>> any (in 2.4) >>>>> we are getting better foliage penetration with ubnt 2.4 than epmp 2.4 >>>>> - - and from the performance of >>>>> the epmp 2.4 i wish wish wish it penetrated better! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> *From:* Matt <matt.mailingli...@gmail.com> >>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 2:25 PM >>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP >>>>> >>>>> We have mostly PMP100 and PMP450 deployed. Some Ubiquiti we tried and >>>>> some we inherited as well. Have some ePMP we have tested but so far >>>>> have not deployed more then couple test links. >>>>> >>>>> For those who have tried both ePMP and PMP450 what are the differences >>>>> you have seen in performance? Interference tolerance among others? >>>>> >>>>> For those that have gone with PMP450 over ePMP what was the reasoning? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > > >
