Hot Springs Ar,
Small City of 36.6K and inside a county with 110K
On 06/03/2016 09:29 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Which and what type of urban environment?
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*From: *"David" <dmilho...@wletc.com>
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Friday, June 3, 2016 9:17:12 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
We have removed ANY 2.4 on our network and let it be the indoor useful
IOT access for all.
Urban areas is just to high for 2.4 in general.
3.65 pmp450 has brought us mucho success in this area and the newest
900 450i rocks. I just need those KP higher gain cpe Ant to get a
little deeper distance from the tower.
We have a few customers on new 900 running 17-20 Mbs through the
thickest crap around 3 mile out some less than this but with a little
more cpe gain we will get this.
With the dense urban area we have there is no way I could use epmp at
my dense tower locations or ubnt for that matter. I do however have
about 15 subs on a single epmp AP in an area that does fine with
10Mbx10Mb service rate.
The coolest thing about that site is that it has 2 epmp panels back to
back on same channel using the gps sync working great.
On 06/02/2016 05:05 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
I can only warn you that you'll have a very angry set of customers.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 6:03 PM, Mathew Howard
<mhoward...@gmail.com <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I've been meaning to do a direct comparison between the two,
by swapping one of our UBNT 2.4ghz APs to an ePMP and keeping
the exact same antennas and everything else... I just need to
figure out where I can do it that's going to give me some
useful information and not make too many customers angry.
On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 4:49 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller
<par...@cyberbroadband.net <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
wrote:
I do not believe we have had both on the same tower. We
had diverted to doing epmp 2.4 not long after it came out
as we had lots of problems with ESD on ubnt 2.4 rockets.
Changed some things and they are surviving storms much better.
Tests near EPMP vs. tests on other towers (3 miles away? -
totally same environment) just revealed in dramatically
different results. Not as much speed, maybe, but at least
we're getting a usable signal up to a mile or two away.
With epmp we're lucky to get a mile way.
Understand we are in THICK tree country. 900 is still our
primary product
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Mathew Howard <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>
*To:* af <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 4:31 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
But does it actually perform worse that UBNT 2.4ghz on
the same link, or is it maybe just differences in how
they calculate signal levels? It doesn't make any
sense that two different radios running on the same
frequency putting the same amount of power into the
same antennas would give significantly different
signal levels...
The closest thing I've done to a comparison was
playing with a Force 200 2.4ghz in wifi mode... there
didn't seem to be a significant difference between it
and a PowerBeam connecting to the same AP.
On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Josh Luthman
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
And I've tried IT Elite dual pol panels, Force 200
2.4, integrated + reflector for CPEs. Continues
to suck.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 5:08 PM, Ken Hohhof
<af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
I’m thinking more the CPE antennas.
*From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>
*Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:59 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
hmm, i will check into that. Pretty sure with
ubnt we're using kp performance. With epmp, i
think it is bundled antennas...
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:50 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
Jay, I suspect the difference you are
seeing may be mainly in the antennas. 2.4
GHz from any vendor should penetrate the
same, the radio waves don’t care what
brand radio launched them. And I think
the difference between the platforms will
be most evident in low interference
environment where they can achieve their
full modulation and throughput. With low
SNR, I think it’s kind of like arguing
Ferrari vs Porsche for off road racing,
neither will be able to show off its
capabilities. Receiver sensitivity and
bits/sec/Hz won’t matter.
*From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>
*Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:28 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
Also interested in interference rejection
of the pmp450 - is there any (in 2.4)
we are getting better foliage penetration
with ubnt 2.4 than epmp 2.4 - - and from
the performance of
the epmp 2.4 i wish wish wish it
penetrated better!
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Matt
<mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 2:25 PM
*Subject:* [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
We have mostly PMP100 and PMP450
deployed. Some Ubiquiti we tried and
some we inherited as well. Have some
ePMP we have tested but so far
have not deployed more then couple
test links.
For those who have tried both ePMP and
PMP450 what are the differences
you have seen in performance?
Interference tolerance among others?
For those that have gone with PMP450
over ePMP what was the reasoning?
