Same antennas at the AP, just removed the Rockets and installed the Epmp radios. As for the CPE side All Nanobeams to Force 200. Both lower signal level and dropped links, in at lease one case the epmp NEVER made a link.

On 6/5/2016 8:28 AM, Colin Stanners wrote:
This is very interesting. How different were the antenna gains at the APs and clients? For those clients that didn't work after the swap, did it seem more due to lower signal level or just bad linktests / reconnections?

On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 8:22 AM, Jerry Head <li...@blountbroadband.com <mailto:li...@blountbroadband.com>> wrote:

    It absolutely does perform worse on the same link, we just helped
    a friend move an entire site from UBNT to epmp to make use of the
    sync capabilities. We actually had to transfer about 15% of the
    customers to 900 because they would not work at all on epmp.

    On 6/2/2016 4:31 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
    But does it actually perform worse that UBNT 2.4ghz on the same
    link, or is it maybe just differences in how they calculate
    signal levels? It doesn't make any sense that two different
    radios running on the same frequency putting the same amount of
    power into the same antennas would give significantly different
    signal levels...

    The closest thing I've done to a comparison was playing with a
    Force 200 2.4ghz in wifi mode... there didn't seem to be a
    significant difference between it and a PowerBeam connecting to
    the same AP.

    On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Josh Luthman
    <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
    <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

        And I've tried IT Elite dual pol panels, Force 200 2.4,
        integrated + reflector for CPEs.  Continues to suck.


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        On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 5:08 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com
        <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

            I’m thinking more the CPE antennas.
            *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>
            *Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:59 PM
            *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
            *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
            hmm, i will check into that. Pretty sure with ubnt we're
            using kp performance.  With epmp, i think it is bundled
            antennas...

                ----- Original Message -----
                *From:* Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
                *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
                *Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:50 PM
                *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
                Jay, I suspect the difference you are seeing may be
                mainly in the antennas.  2.4 GHz from any vendor
                should penetrate the same, the radio waves don’t care
                what brand radio launched them. And I think the
                difference between the platforms will be most evident
                in low interference environment where they can
                achieve their full modulation and throughput. With
                low SNR, I think it’s kind of like arguing Ferrari vs
                Porsche for off road racing, neither will be able to
                show off its capabilities. Receiver sensitivity and
                bits/sec/Hz won’t matter.
                *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
                <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>
                *Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:28 PM
                *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
                *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
                Also interested in interference rejection of the
                pmp450  - is there any (in 2.4)
                we are getting better foliage penetration with ubnt
                2.4 than epmp 2.4 - - and from the performance of
                the epmp 2.4 i wish wish wish it penetrated better!

                    ----- Original Message -----
                    *From:* Matt <mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>
                    *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
                    *Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 2:25 PM
                    *Subject:* [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
                    We have mostly PMP100 and PMP450 deployed. Some
                    Ubiquiti we tried and
                    some we inherited as well.  Have some ePMP we
                    have tested but so far
                    have not deployed more then couple test links.

                    For those who have tried both ePMP and PMP450
                    what are the differences
                    you have seen in performance? Interference
                    tolerance among others?

                    For those that have gone with PMP450 over ePMP
                    what was the reasoning?






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