Yup definitely .. :)
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke Sent: June 21, 2016 3:59 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] traffic priorities I've never used a Procera, but based on my understanding of what it does, virtualization performance would also depend greatly on what type of virtualization. Something like xen PV would be considerably faster than xen HVM: http://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Understanding_the_Virtualization_Spectrum Look into PCI passthrough for a set of 10GbE Intel NICs: http://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Xen_PCI_Passthrough On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Paul Stewart <p...@paulstewart.org <mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > wrote: Yes … still hardware sitting in a VM server or cluster etc … I would suggest talking to them about what traffic you are looking at doing and compare that to recommended VM configuration … things keep advancing with vendors shifting customers from appliances to virtualized but for some vendors it’s been a bumpy ride – can’t comment specifically on Procera as never used their VM solution due to scaling concerns right out of the gates. Also (and don’t’ know this with Procera), for some vendors you lose features when moving to VM setup …. Juniper is a prime example of this, where some features last I looked were not moved over …. Of course over time this will change hence my point …. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: June 21, 2016 3:29 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] traffic priorities How does the VM work? Is there still hardware that sits on the network? On Tuesday, June 21, 2016, Simon Westlake <simon@sonar.software <mailto:simon@sonar.software> > wrote: I haven't priced one yet, but I can get a quote if you're interested, just hit me off list. On 6/21/2016 2:02 PM, Craig Schmaderer wrote: Any ideas on how cheap you can get in on the vm. �Thats a nice way to go for most people i would assume.� Craig Schmaderer Cell 402-380-1245 Skywave Wireless, Inc. On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 12:47 PM -0500, "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software <mailto:simon@sonar.software> > wrote: They do have a virtualized appliance now, but if you want the hardware appliance, you still have to buy it. My understanding of why they stop selling the software is that it still has to be validated to function on older devices - some of become unusable because of lack of memory as signatures expanded. Some of it is lack of desire to continue to support hardware that they themselves can't source anymore as well, I'm sure - it's all just x86 stuff. I don't remember the whole history of the company, they were a different company name previously and acquired a Swedish corporation, in the restructure, they became Procera. On 6/21/2016 12:33 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: If their product is the subscription service, they don't hesitate selling the subscription service. $2,500/year is better than $0/year. Okay, so then don't cover the hardware anymore, software only. They should sell software-only to anyone at any time. Procera has been around for 10 years? Hrm. I'da guessed four or five. ----- Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP _____ From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2016 12:29:50 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] traffic priorities Well, one of the things to bear in mind with Procera is that you are essentially buying the subscription service. Even though the box isn't cheap, the value of the product is really the subscription. One of the things that the support/subscription covers is next day air replacement on the hardware. So now, you bought some old beat up box off Ebay, and you want to put it under a support contract, and things get messy when the hardware fails. So, I understand their reluctance - but they will do it. I'm mostly just advising caution because it's a complex arrangement - you want to make sure the box isn't EOL, you need to make sure it works, that you can still get expansion cards for it, etc. Sometimes these boxes on eBay look like a good deal, but there is a lot of factors to look at before you buy it, it's not a simple purchase. That being said, there are some deals to be had, and I've helped people navigate it, but I've also had to give people bad news after they snapped up some 10 year old, EOL unit for a 'steal'. On 6/21/2016 12:09 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: I don't understand this mentality from some companies.� I mean, someone bought this new, and may have at least hesitated if they knew that the resale value would immediately be zero. I guess at least they license used units. 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