Is it just me or did Simon confuse anyone else? :)
Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.
On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 4:33 PM -0500, "Paul Stewart"
<p...@paulstewart.org <mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>> wrote:
Yup definitely .. J
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*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke
*Sent:* June 21, 2016 3:59 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] traffic priorities
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I've never used a Procera, but based on my understanding of what it
does, virtualization performance would also depend greatly on what
type of virtualization. Something like xen PV would be considerably
faster than xen HVM:
http://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Understanding_the_Virtualization_Spectrum
Look into PCI passthrough for a set of 10GbE Intel NICs:
http://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Xen_PCI_Passthrough
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On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Paul Stewart <p...@paulstewart.org
<mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>> wrote:
Yes � still hardware sitting in a VM server or cluster etc �
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I would suggest talking to them about what traffic you are
looking at doing and compare that to recommended VM configuration
� things keep advancing with vendors shifting customers from
appliances to virtualized but for some vendors it�s been a
bumpy ride � can�t comment specifically on Procera as never
used their VM solution due to scaling concerns right out of the
gates.
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Also (and don�t� know this with Procera), for some vendors
you lose features when moving to VM setup �. Juniper is a prime
example of this, where some features last I looked were not moved
over �.� Of course over time this will change hence my point
�.
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*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
*Sent:* June 21, 2016 3:29 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] traffic priorities
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How does the VM work? Is there still hardware that sits on the
network?
On Tuesday, June 21, 2016, Simon Westlake <simon@sonar.software>
wrote:
I haven't priced one yet, but I can get a quote if you're
interested, just hit me off list.
On 6/21/2016 2:02 PM, Craig Schmaderer wrote:
Any ideas on how cheap you can get in on the vm. �Thats
a nice way to go for most people i would assume.�
Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.
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On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 12:47 PM -0500, "Simon Westlake"
<simon@sonar.software> wrote:
They do have a virtualized appliance now, but if you want
the hardware appliance, you still have to buy it. My
understanding of why they stop selling the software is
that it still has to be validated to function on older
devices - some of become unusable because of lack of
memory as signatures expanded. Some of it is lack of
desire to continue to support hardware that they
themselves can't source anymore as well, I'm sure - it's
all just x86 stuff.
I don't remember the whole history of the company, they
were a different company name previously and acquired a
Swedish corporation, in the restructure, they became Procera.
On 6/21/2016 12:33 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
If their product is the subscription service, they
don't hesitate selling the subscription service.
$2,500/year is better than $0/year.
Okay, so then don't cover the hardware anymore,
software only. They should sell software-only to
anyone at any time.
Procera has been around for 10 years? Hrm. I'da
guessed four or five.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
_Midwest Internet Exchange_
_The Brothers WISP_
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*From: *"Simon Westlake" <_simon@sonar.software_>
*To: *_af@afmug.com_
*Sent: *Tuesday, June 21, 2016 12:29:50 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] traffic priorities
Well, one of the things to bear in mind with Procera
is that you are essentially buying the subscription
service. Even though the box isn't cheap, the value
of the product is really the subscription. One of the
things that the support/subscription covers is next
day air replacement on the hardware. So now, you
bought some old beat up box off Ebay, and you want to
put it under a support contract, and things get messy
when the hardware fails.
So, I understand their reluctance - but they will do
it. I'm mostly just advising caution because it's a
complex arrangement - you want to make sure the box
isn't EOL, you need to make sure it works, that you
can still get expansion cards for it, etc. Sometimes
these boxes on eBay look like a good deal, but there
is a lot of factors to look at before you buy it,
it's not a simple purchase. That being said, there
are some deals to be had, and I've helped people
navigate it, but I've also had to give people bad
news after they snapped up some 10 year old, EOL unit
for a 'steal'.
On 6/21/2016 12:09 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
I don't understand this mentality from some
companies.� I mean, someone bought this new,
and may have at least hesitated if they knew that
the resale value would immediately be zero.
�
I guess at least they license used units.
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On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 12:03 PM, Simon Westlake
<_simon@sonar.software_> wrote:
Bear in mind they are not overly enthusiastic
about licensing used boxes
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