No I've never been "let down" by one - there's link budget info there, but
up until very recently their datasheets didn't have the radio's Tx power in
them. Whereas the older E-band manufacturers put their Tx power right out
there in the data table for the radio alongside stuff like the power
consumption. Making it much easier to manually calculate a predicted link
with a typical 30 or 60cm antenna rather than using a manufacturer's online
web page link estimation tool.

Maybe I'm too old school and remember when it was necessary to manually
calculate a link because there was no such thing as a GUI HTML5 link budget
tool on a manufacturer's website, you actually had to think about things
like transmit power, RSL thresholds in dB for varying modulations, etc.

On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 6:37 PM, Daniel White <[email protected]> wrote:

> I feel like Siklu let you down in some horrible way Eric.
>
>
>
> Siklu has their link budget info right on their datasheets.  Need the
> extra TX power, go with one of the newer radios.
>
>
>
> 700 – 5dBm
>
> 1200 – 7dBm
>
> 2200 – 11dBm
>
> 2500 – 18.5dBm
>
> 5500 – 16dBm (what’s this ;-)
>
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> http://lbc.siklu.com/
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>
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> Back when they only had the 1200 which has that +7dBm TX power is
> certainly limited the radio, and many people mis-deployed it under
> guidelines they would use for BridgeWave.  But that is simply poor
> engineering.
>
>
>
> But also to put into context – lowest average rain rate in North America
> is typically 25 mm/hr for 99.99% operation.  That is 10dB of fade at 1km at
> 99.99% availability.  So your argument is true – that is 1km of distance
> your leaving on the table.  See the chart below I made many moons ago.
>
>
>
>
>
> Every 60GHz/80GHz (regardless of vendor) I have engineered performs to
> spec.  Engineer, engineer, engineer.
>
>
>
> Daniel White
>
> Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
>
> ConVergence Technologies
>
> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>
> [email protected]
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 5, 2016 1:13 PM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Siklu Distance
>
>
>
> Siklu's sales and marketing department goes to a great deal of effort and
> fluff to obscure the fact that many of their 80 GHz radios are not +18 or
> +19 Tx power, but are more like +7 or +10 coming out of the radio waveguide
> port.
>
>
> There's a reason why some of the more expensive 80 GHz products
> (Moseley/Remec/Bridgewave), SIAE, NEC etc are more costly, that's because
> of the total link budget you can achieve with +18 Tx power going into a
> 52dBi gain 60cm antenna.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 12:10 PM, Jason McKemie <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
> Their charts on that sheet still seem fairly optimistic to me.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> Context !  Context ! Context !
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>
>
>
>
> http://www.siklu.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/
> Overbuild-tech-note-Final-.pdf
>
>
>
> Some interesting suggestions in there !
>
>
>
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected]
>
>
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>
> *From: *"Jason McKemie" <[email protected]>
> *To: *[email protected]
> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 5, 2016 1:22:39 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Siklu Distance
>
> I received an email from Siklu saying their equipment could offer gigabit
> speeds at 8+ miles.  This seems dishonest at best.  I guess they didn't say
> where the link had to be located to get this distance...
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