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----- Original Message -----
From: Josh Luthman
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics
Cheddar
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On Oct 10, 2016 3:38 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
How can you not like American Cheese? What do you use to make grilled
cheese sandwiches? What do you put on cheezburgers?
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 5:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics
As much as we love cheese here, how did we get the crappiest pseudo-cheese
named after us?
On Monday, October 10, 2016, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
Mmmmmm, American Cheese.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 4:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics
Canada is building a wall.... very quietly... out of American Cheese.
From: Jaime Solorza
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 3:49 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics
Hey I think Canada might invades us... Rump insulted their health care
system....
On Oct 10, 2016 3:28 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
I dunno, I’ll ask.
From: Travis Johnson
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 3:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics
Hi,
Just curious, do you know what her tax rates are like? It seems like
the money has to come from somewhere for National Health Care, so I'm curious
if it's part of their income tax structure, or somewhere else?
Travis
On 10/10/2016 3:15 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Some things should not see competition.
Municipal water and sewer systems for example. Streets, roads and
highways.
One can make a pretty good argument for the power company. Gas
company.
Less so for Telco and CATV.
So what is healthcare? Similar to national defense? We already have
5-6 branches of the armed forces duplicating services there.
Similar to public education? We have competition there too. (Are
the Merchant Marine their own branch?)
I have a daughter that lives in England. She loves the National
Health System. And they have private doctors if they want them too.
Somebody will win a nobel prize in economics if they can model this
and produce the correct answer.
From: Lewis Bergman
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 2:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics
I struggle to recall much of anything that thrives, innovates, and is
efficient without competition.
On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 3:44 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com>
wrote:
I still think that it would be better with a single payer system
like what's in use in most other countries in the world.
Problem is we would have to figure out how to do that without
letting the government administer it.
bp<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 10/10/2016 1:22 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Amen.
(I was actually hoping the ACA would bring insurance to low
income folks. Didn’t happen. I personally know a handful that tried and could
not get something they could afford. Even the low cost packages had deductable
like $1500. Stay poor and stay on Medicaid was my advice to them...)
From: Lewis Bergman
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 2:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics
The trouble with facts is the government is in charge of keeping
them so it is very difficult to get a real picture of what has or is going on.
What is a surplus? well, most administrations that I remember
state that they have a surplus when the money they spent was less than they
were going to spend or the money they were going to spend was less than what
they took in.
None of how the government accounts for money would work for
anyone who can't print their own. It doesn't matter who is in charge, it is
extremely difficult to plow through all the BS they throw up to get to the real
numbers. Doesn't matter if it is deportations and what counts as one, "saving
money" and what counts as that, some word called winning which I'll be damned
if I know what that means anymore. Trump uses that word a lot but I am not sure
he can explain what he mans by it.
I just had to turn the debate off. It is just so hard to imagine
that we are in this mess. But democracy is messy. The good news is that the
president can hardly ruin everything without a lot of cooperation. Even Obama
could barely get healthcare passed with both houses. Both of these characters
are so well hated by so many I can't imagine they will be able to do anything
but appoint people and make executive orders.
Of course, it is better for the economy when congress can't pass
laws anyway.
On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 2:54 PM Robert Andrews
<i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
The jist of what I said earlier is that Trump is there to make
others
look good _BY Comparison_... When looked at on absolute
scales other
things may be observed...
On 10/10/2016 12:50 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
> The Clinton Foundation has actually done some good in the
world; as
> opposed to the other guy's. His "Foundation" has served no
one other
> than himself or his "companies".
>
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
> On 10/10/2016 12:48 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
>> Yep and that was the start of the Clinton Foundation...
>>
>> On 10/10/2016 12:41 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>> Don't forget it was a republican congress that wrote and
passed the
>>> legislation.
>>>
>>> I'm not taking him off the hook, just pointing out that it
takes two to
>>> tango.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>
>>> On 10/10/2016 12:35 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
>>>> Once again, Chuck, you nailed it... BC was just lucky to
be sitting
>>>> on a mountain of money and it made him look like a god..
Then he
>>>> signed the dumbest piece of legislature to come along in
50 years
>>>> against advice on the last few days of his presidency..
Not inspiring
>>>> in any way... But we are now wedged and your advice is
correct. We
>>>> will survive another 4 years and hope she doesn't pull a
BC on her
>>>> last days in office.
>>>>
>>>> On 10/10/2016 10:45 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>>> Bill Clinton just happened to coincide with the tech boom
and the
>>>>> advent
>>>>> of the commercial internet. That is what produced the
surplus, he
>>>>> just
>>>>> lucked out. His decisions to deregulate mortgage banking
is what
>>>>> brought us all back down in 2008.
>>>>> I have told former business partners (upon learning of
their
>>>>> infidelity)
>>>>> if you will cheat on your spouse you sure as hell will
cheat me.
>>>>> In my mind the game is over. 4 years of watching
something that could
>>>>> have been so much better lies ahead. Been through it
before, can
>>>>> endure
>>>>> it again.
>>>>> Winston Churchill said Democracy is the WORST form of
governments....
>>>>> except for all the others.
>>>>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, October 10, 2016 11:37 AM
>>>>> *To:* Animal Farm
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics
>>>>> Now you sound like my Trump loving buddy....state
facts.....not
>>>>> shit you
>>>>> hear from Hannity, OReilly, Limbaugh and bunch..
>>>>> Bill Clinton (An unfaithful husband....I don't mince
words)
>>>>> balanced the
>>>>> budget and we had a surplus....a Democrat..but he didn't
do it
>>>>> BFM...(By
>>>>> Fucking Magic for you hard of hearing)...it took both
sides to get
>>>>> those
>>>>> things going....Knock Obama all you want, you do anyways,
but he
>>>>> inherited a shit storm and even with all the Republican
resistance,
>>>>> got
>>>>> us out of the recession. Trump used the recession to
make
>>>>> money..(fact...like Potter in Capra's movie)...Trump
keeps blaming
>>>>> Obama
>>>>> for ISIS!!! really.....lets revise history like our Texas
Board of
>>>>> Education does all the time.....Wrong is wrong, no matter
who does
>>>>> it....Clinton, Trump, Kennedy and other presidents
cheated on their
>>>>> wives...I bought out my first business partner for just
>>>>> that...cheating
>>>>> on his wife and children...Guess I am old school, but if
a man
>>>>> cheats on
>>>>> those close to him, where the hell do I stand in that
relationship?
>>>>> Goes to character and morals.....yes we joke on this list
allot
>>>>> including sexual ones....but I have never read anything
on this list
>>>>> about thinking its okay to grope women because you are
rich or a
>>>>> celebrity...or worse call one of you daughters voluptuous
...NBC
>>>>> suspended Billy Bush but only after extreme pressure from
social
>>>>> media....Chump says he uses it and in the end the media
is what
>>>>> will do
>>>>> him in....Listen carefully..THIS IS NO FUCKING REALITY
SHOW YOU MORON
>>>>> TRUMP!!! I know those who approve of him will stay
loyal up to the
>>>>> election....Like I said before and I say it again...It
reminds of
>>>>> Hitlers followers....they knew it was wrong but didn't
give a
>>>>> shit....sorry muchachos, that Make America Great Again
dream will not
>>>>> ever be back again, keeping kicking the sleeping
giant.....too many of
>>>>> us are educated now and we can vote....as much as you
want to change
>>>>> voting laws to keep us out, it will not work......lets
see how it
>>>>> plays
>>>>> out on November 8th....
>>>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>>> Wireless Systems Architect
>>>>> 915-861-1390
>>>>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Wireless Administrator
>>>>> <wirel...@htn.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> MUCH HAS CHANGED ABOUT POLITICS OVER THE YEARS.____
>>>>>
>>>>> ____
>>>>>
>>>>> ____
>>>>>
>>>>> *“My fellow Americans, ask not what your country can
do for
>>>>> you, ask
>>>>> what you can do for your country.”____*
>>>>>
>>>>> *____*
>>>>>
>>>>> ____
>>>>>
>>>>> AND THOSE ARE THE WORDS OF A DOEMCRAT !
>>>>>
>>>>> ____
>>>>>
>>>>> ____
>>>>>
>>>>> AND NOW WE HAVE A NATIONAL DEBT OF:____
>>>>>
>>>>> ____
>>>>>
>>>>> *$19,493,291,113,808____*
>>>>>
>>>>> *____*
>>>>>
>>>>> It’s hard for me to believe that ANY of the other
issues matter.
>>>>> I’m not afraid of a president that might hurt
someone’s
>>>>> feelings on
>>>>> the way to fixing the mess we’re in. ____
>>>>>
>>>>> ____
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve B.____
>>>>>
>>>>> ____
>>>>>
>>>>> ____
>>>>>
>>>>> ____
>>>>>
>>>
>
