STP is dynamic, when we were solely a Milan switched network it was off by
default, when we moved to HP it was off by default, now its on by default
for everything even HP, I assume if I read release notes on new models I
would have known that.
I prefer dynamic things be off and we turn them on
loop mitigation i guess i can see being worthwhile to have on by default,
but generally when you create a loop its by mistake, and if you dont know
its on, it creates a dynamic troubleshooting environment
I like knowing its generally going to be on, the mikrotik thing was
unexpected, global off would be nice
when i was just a tech they implemented rstp on the network for redundant
crummy links and dicked with the timers the links would flap and kick off a
random root run around the network for hours, you cant get greedy with stp


On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 9:23 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <[email protected]>
wrote:

> very simple..
>
> a) it is on by default in CISCO Equipment
> b) it catches people by surprise, cause it does not output to logs as to
> what is going on.
> c) one can only see the status of a blocked port if one issues the stp
> command.
> but the biggest one is...
>
> d)  Cisco switches will react to STP messages being broadcast from a
> totally different section of a connected network... !
>
> so, simply by the virtue of 'Cisco of Right' and they have the highest
> quantity of switches deployed in the field... and this is one of the
> biggest gotchas, when the folks experience it..... they  (cisco)
> automatically gets  the brunt of the black eye !....
>
> No one starts a story with .. " Let me tell you how I made a mistake...."
> but the story always starts with .." Ahhh what a POS, let me tell you what
> I had to endure due to this  POS !  ".
>
> :)
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected]
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]>
> *To: *[email protected]
> *Sent: *Tuesday, October 25, 2016 6:18:21 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] stp
>
> Why do people act like STP is some evil proprietary Cisco thing?  If you
> don’t want it, turn if off, but don’t make it sound like Cisco pulled it
> out of their ass, it’s a perfectly standard Layer 2 protocol.
>
>
>
> CDP you can yell at Cisco (although Mikrotik supports it).  Certain VLAN
> error messages you can yell at Cisco.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Carlos Alcantar
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 25, 2016 4:58 PM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] stp
>
>
>
> on the access side where you might have issues with stp is if your
> customer is then connecting to a cisco switch these stp messages between
> equipment can get funny and start shutting off ports because one side
> supports it and the other doesn't.  you'll go crazy locating these issues.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Carlos Alcantar
>
> Race Communications / Race Team Member
>
> 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010
>
> Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / [email protected] / http://www.race.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Af <[email protected]> on behalf of Josh Reynolds <
> [email protected]>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 25, 2016 2:38:04 PM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] stp
>
>
>
> You veered way off into something I wasn't even talking about.
>
> There's nothing wrong with a loop protect on an access port, but since its
> not an official standard, there will be variances in loop detection
> algorithm quality and design between vendors. YMMV.
>
> That said, there's nothing wrong with STP on access ports either.
>
>
>
> On Oct 25, 2016 4:27 PM, "George Skorup" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Care to explain? What's wrong with simple loop-protect on an edge port
> facing a dumb customer?
>
> On 10/25/2016 3:07 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
> *facepalm*
>
>
>
> On Oct 25, 2016 3:06 PM, "George Skorup" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Lots of switch vendors and even MikroTik (in the 6.37 branch, IIRC)
> support loop protection. If all you care about is stopping a loop, then use
> that. Use STP if you need its functionality.
>
> On 10/25/2016 1:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
> If one of the ports has a loop, it will block only that port. Obviously,
> disable STP on uplinks.
>
>
>
> On Oct 25, 2016 1:08 PM, "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> But if you only have one upstream connection and you fall, it isn’t going
> to do anything, right?
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 25, 2016 12:01 PM
>
> *To:* [email protected]
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] stp
>
>
>
> STP is a safety net. Its not doing much unless you fall.
>
>
>
> On Oct 25, 2016 12:44 PM, "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> How can STP being enabled help anything if you are not using it?
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 25, 2016 10:10 AM
>
> *To:* [email protected]
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] stp
>
>
>
> I just learned the other day thanks to Steve the Mikrotik software bridges
> are (R?) STP by default.
>
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 12:07 PM, Bill Prince <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Actually Netonix (one t, no r). I don't know that I would leave it on, but
> I don't know how you're using it.
>
> https://www.netonix.com/wisp-switch.html
>
> bp
>
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
>
>
> On 10/25/2016 9:04 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
> Nettonix.
>
> You could always leave it on... If your access network is layer2 up to
> that switch, it could help.
>
>
>
> On Oct 25, 2016 11:03 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> just discovered on one of our nettronix switches spanning tree protocol
> was enabled.
>
> we've run this switch probably four months - no real side effects - but i
> don't run stp anywhere
>
> else.  any reason to leave this on?
>
>
>
> thanks
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>


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