Well said … it’s incredibly rare to see someone set this in their networks ….

(yes, I’m reading emails backwards and catching up)

> On Oct 25, 2016, at 11:22 PM, Jesse DuPont <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> 
> I don't know what all vendors use for their defaults, but one of the simplest 
> things you can do to help stabilize RSTP is to be intentional about which 
> device is the root bridge (i.e. closest switch/bridge to traffic 
> egress/ingress or core or what ever you define as the "root"). Make sure that 
> device has the lowest priority so that all other bridges are working to have 
> the best path to that device. if you want traffic in a bridged network to 
> flow a specific way, you can influence that with RSTP path cost. None of this 
> replaces routing (ducks), but it's better than leaving them all at default 
> priority and letting them elect the root.
> 
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> On 10/25/16 9:08 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>> STP is dynamic, when we were solely a Milan switched network it was off by 
>> default, when we moved to HP it was off by default, now its on by default 
>> for everything even HP, I assume if I read release notes on new models I 
>> would have known that.
>> I prefer dynamic things be off and we turn them on
>> loop mitigation i guess i can see being worthwhile to have on by default, 
>> but generally when you create a loop its by mistake, and if you dont know 
>> its on, it creates a dynamic troubleshooting environment
>> I like knowing its generally going to be on, the mikrotik thing was 
>> unexpected, global off would be nice
>> when i was just a tech they implemented rstp on the network for redundant 
>> crummy links and dicked with the timers the links would flap and kick off a 
>> random root run around the network for hours, you cant get greedy with stp
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 9:23 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <[email protected] 
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> very simple..
>> 
>> a) it is on by default in CISCO Equipment
>> b) it catches people by surprise, cause it does not output to logs as to 
>> what is going on.
>> c) one can only see the status of a blocked port if one issues the stp 
>> command.
>> but the biggest one is...
>> 
>> d)  Cisco switches will react to STP messages being broadcast from a totally 
>> different section of a connected network... !
>> 
>> so, simply by the virtue of 'Cisco of Right' and they have the highest 
>> quantity of switches deployed in the field... and this is one of the biggest 
>> gotchas, when the folks experience it..... they  (cisco) automatically gets  
>> the brunt of the black eye !....
>> 
>> No one starts a story with .. " Let me tell you how I made a mistake...." 
>> but the story always starts with .." Ahhh what a POS, let me tell you what I 
>> had to endure due to this  POS !  ".
>> 
>> :)
>> 
>> 
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
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>> Miami, FL 33155
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>> 
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <tel:%28305%29663-5518> Option 2 or Email: 
>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>> 
>> From: "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 6:18:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] stp
>> Why do people act like STP is some evil proprietary Cisco thing?  If you 
>> don’t want it, turn if off, but don’t make it sound like Cisco pulled it out 
>> of their ass, it’s a perfectly standard Layer 2 protocol.
>>  
>> CDP you can yell at Cisco (although Mikrotik supports it).  Certain VLAN 
>> error messages you can yell at Cisco.
>>  
>>  <> 
>> From: Af [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>] On 
>> Behalf Of Carlos Alcantar
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 4:58 PM
>> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] stp
>>  
>> on the access side where you might have issues with stp is if your customer 
>> is then connecting to a cisco switch these stp messages between equipment 
>> can get funny and start shutting off ports because one side supports it and 
>> the other doesn't.  you'll go crazy locating these issues.
>> 
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Carlos Alcantar
>> 
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>>  
>> From: Af <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of 
>> Josh Reynolds <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 2:38:04 PM
>> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] stp
>>  
>> You veered way off into something I wasn't even talking about.
>> 
>> There's nothing wrong with a loop protect on an access port, but since its 
>> not an official standard, there will be variances in loop detection 
>> algorithm quality and design between vendors. YMMV.
>> 
>> That said, there's nothing wrong with STP on access ports either.
>> 
>>  
>> On Oct 25, 2016 4:27 PM, "George Skorup" <[email protected] 
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> Care to explain? What's wrong with simple loop-protect on an edge port 
>> facing a dumb customer?
>> 
>> On 10/25/2016 3:07 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>> *facepalm*
>> 
>>  
>> On Oct 25, 2016 3:06 PM, "George Skorup" <[email protected] 
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> Lots of switch vendors and even MikroTik (in the 6.37 branch, IIRC) support 
>> loop protection. If all you care about is stopping a loop, then use that. 
>> Use STP if you need its functionality.
>> 
>> On 10/25/2016 1:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>> If one of the ports has a loop, it will block only that port. Obviously, 
>> disable STP on uplinks.
>> 
>>  
>> On Oct 25, 2016 1:08 PM, "Chuck McCown" <[email protected] 
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> But if you only have one upstream connection and you fall, it isn’t going to 
>> do anything, right?
>>  
>> From: Josh Reynolds
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 12:01 PM
>> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] stp
>>  
>> STP is a safety net. Its not doing much unless you fall.
>> 
>>  
>> On Oct 25, 2016 12:44 PM, "Chuck McCown" <[email protected] 
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> How can STP being enabled help anything if you are not using it?
>>  
>> From: Josh Luthman 
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 10:10 AM
>> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] stp
>>  
>> I just learned the other day thanks to Steve the Mikrotik software bridges 
>> are (R?) STP by default.
>>  
>>  
>> Josh Luthman
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>>  
>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 12:07 PM, Bill Prince <[email protected] 
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> Actually Netonix (one t, no r). I don't know that I would leave it on, but I 
>> don't know how you're using it.
>> 
>> https://www.netonix.com/wisp-switch.html 
>> <https://www.netonix.com/wisp-switch.html>
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>  
>> On 10/25/2016 9:04 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>> Nettonix.
>> 
>> You could always leave it on... If your access network is layer2 up to that 
>> switch, it could help.
>> 
>>  
>> On Oct 25, 2016 11:03 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <[email protected] 
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>  
>> just discovered on one of our nettronix switches spanning tree protocol was 
>> enabled.
>> we've run this switch probably four months - no real side effects - but i 
>> don't run stp anywhere
>> else.  any reason to leave this on?
>>  
>> thanks
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