the vast majority of the 22m were already eligible for medicaid and on
medicaid, it just got a new label. The vast majority with new coverage dont
account for the premium/deductible equation. For example, my employer
provided plan would have cost me around 6000 or so bucks a year before it
started paying, this year its 24k, im effectively uninsured now if I was
providing my own coverage at the level i currently have and this year it
spikes to 36k. I can "afford this plan if i go with a low premium, huge
deductible plan. but if im hospitalized, or sick, or break my arm, thats
all out of pocket. They dont talk about the number of insured who
effectively lost their coverage, because those arent pretty flowers like
the 22 million lie.
There was a huge influx of all these liberal college kids signing up for
aca, even though their parents coverage was required to cover them. Odd how
they quit talking about that come premium time
On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 11:12 AM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Perhaps that's more to do with Utah? IDK. The way that it was implemented
> was not the same from state to state. Those that embraced it fully had
> fewer issues.
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
>
> On 11/10/2016 9:10 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> I am involved in multiple companies with about 100 employees totally
> involved. Some of them are part time, some work for companies that are
> small and nobody has coverage. We have attempted to help employees sign up
> for ACA. The process is so convoluted that most of them give up. One of
> them is a degreed electrical engineer with a professional engineering
> license. He gave up the first time. Turns out to be affordable for the
> low income folks, the deductible is so high to be worthless. So they take
> the fine instead. It simply does not work. The less literate someone is,
> the greater the problem. In Utah I think we only have one provider left.
>
> It has been a failure.
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 10, 2016 10:00 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Logistics
>
> I don't agree with either of those statements. The trumpster lies because
> of ignorance. Maybe that's not quite lying, but perhaps just stupidity. Oh
> yeah. Let's get a stupid president. Hell, I've witnessed him telling one
> lie in the subject of a statement, and a practically opposite lie in the
> predicate. His attention span is too short to remember where he started.
>
> And if the ACA has helped "no one", what do you call the 22,000,000 people
> with coverage today?
>
> A lot of negative press has been written about the ACA, but I haven't
> heard one, not one, proposal on how to make it better. Who's fault is that?
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
>
> On 11/10/2016 8:44 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> It is a matter of the quality of the lies. Trump lies about himself, his
> worth, his accomplishments etc. All driven by his meglomania.
>
> Bill and Hillary are part of an evil global conglomerate. I am willing to
> bet they have knocked off 500% more of their enemies than Trump has.
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 10, 2016 9:37 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Logistics
>
> There is also the small matter of the 70-something law suits (currently)
> filed against the trumpster. The guy is a bigger criminal than the Clintons
> or the Bushes combined. He also lies a verified 500% more than Clinton, but
> everyone chooses to ignore all of that.
>
> Finding lies in the trumpster's statements is a target rich environment.
>
> Plus the guy only cares about himself. The guy we see today is nothing
> more than a narcissist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism).
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
>
> On 11/10/2016 8:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
>
>
> *From:* Rory Conaway
>
> I’ll bite.
>
>
>
> 1) Climate change has scientists on both sides of the argument, both
> with very good evidence behind them. The next question is whether it’s man
> caused which it partially is, but to what extend.
>
> Pollution bad, irrespective of climate.
>
>
>
> 2) It’s clear that Hillary and Obama’s policies have been a massive
> failure so it’s time to do something different.
>
> Obama launched more drones with bombs than anyone in the history of the
> universe. Hard to tell if this has been good or bad for us. Will Trump
> launch them like Obama? Time will tell. Have we had more attacks on our
> homeland with Obama in office? Nothing big and coordinated like 9/11, that
> is for certain. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
>
>
>
> 3) He didn’t win because of fear, he won because the Globalists, the
> corrupt, and the anti-American attitude in Washington divided this country
> and were selling out and destroying our core values. In addition, they
> were bankrupting the country at the same time. Liberals attacked everyone
> who didn’t like their policies and half the country said enough was enough.
>
> I think he won because half the country could not stand the thought of
> listening to her voice for 4 years. Kinda like mars attacks. I was going
> to get a recording of “Indian Love Call” for protection.
>
>
>
> 4) Hillary is a lying criminal, Bill a rapist and sexual predator,
> and you think Trump has character problems.
>
> Trump does have character problems. He has no filter, he has no sense of
> decorum or diplomacy. He is a megalomaniac. So he doesn’t have good
> optics. So what... at least he is new and disruptive. This could prove to
> be fun. As for Bill and Hillary, Nixon did bad things too, lots of them
> did.
>
>
>
> 5) Obama is a whole different story. That guy has lied from the day
> he took office to his most recent lies about not knowing about Hillary’s
> server.
>
> We will never know if the Obama administration prevented another 9/11
> attack or not. I am guessing he was effective. All upper echelon
> politicians lie. The pigs gotta keep the sheep calm.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 10, 2016 8:21 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Logistics
>
>
>
> trump calls climate change a hoax... Forget the physics or science... Has
> no foreign policy plan... Sound bites don't cut it... He won because of
> fear by biligaana, period. Country is very divided because he fueled these
> fears...
> Someone in class yesterday said we should respect him.... Another guy
> responded, Really the way he and others showed respect for Obama...
> I can't respect him for his lack of character... I have stated it
> clearly..
> How ridiculous can he be when his staff cut his tweeter account days
> before election? Heaven help us when he is charge... I noticed no one
> answered or challenged me about leaving him alone with your wife or
> daughters.... The silence was defeaning... And the public works idea... Who
> the hell is doing all that work right now? Open your eyes, visit
> construction sites around the southwest and even Las Vegas... Go to job
> sites.... Facts not bullshit
>
>
>
> On Nov 10, 2016 8:00 AM, "Sam Morris" <w...@csilogan.com> wrote:
>
> If Clinton said it, that in and of itself is enough to call that statement
> into question.
>
> On 11/9/2016 12:09 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
> Clinton said we can support
> 600,000 syrian refugees today. Thats 6 percent today of the undocumented
> population we could migrate into citizens...today
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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