I'm 100% with that concept. The whole notion of for-profit insurance
companies controlling so much of this is just absurd. Unfortunately,
that would never fly past a republican congress. I'm on Medicare now,
and it seems to be working very well for me.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 11/10/2016 9:15 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I would prefer a single payer program.
A few years before I am on Medicare, after that who cares as long as I
get mine....
*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Thursday, November 10, 2016 10:12 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Logistics
Perhaps that's more to do with Utah? IDK. The way that it was
implemented was not the same from state to state. Those that embraced
it fully had fewer issues.
bp
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On 11/10/2016 9:10 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I am involved in multiple companies with about 100 employees totally
involved. Some of them are part time, some work for companies that
are small and nobody has coverage. We have attempted to help
employees sign up for ACA. The process is so convoluted that most of
them give up. One of them is a degreed electrical engineer with a
professional engineering license. He gave up the first time. Turns
out to be affordable for the low income folks, the deductible is so
high to be worthless. So they take the fine instead. It simply does
not work. The less literate someone is, the greater the problem. In
Utah I think we only have one provider left.
It has been a failure.
*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Thursday, November 10, 2016 10:00 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Logistics
I don't agree with either of those statements. The trumpster lies
because of ignorance. Maybe that's not quite lying, but perhaps just
stupidity. Oh yeah. Let's get a stupid president. Hell, I've
witnessed him telling one lie in the subject of a statement, and a
practically opposite lie in the predicate. His attention span is too
short to remember where he started.
And if the ACA has helped "no one", what do you call the 22,000,000
people with coverage today?
A lot of negative press has been written about the ACA, but I haven't
heard one, not one, proposal on how to make it better. Who's fault is
that?
bp
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On 11/10/2016 8:44 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
It is a matter of the quality of the lies. Trump lies about
himself, his worth, his accomplishments etc. All driven by his
meglomania.
Bill and Hillary are part of an evil global conglomerate. I am
willing to bet they have knocked off 500% more of their enemies than
Trump has.
*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Thursday, November 10, 2016 9:37 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Logistics
There is also the small matter of the 70-something law suits
(currently) filed against the trumpster. The guy is a bigger
criminal than the Clintons or the Bushes combined. He also lies a
verified 500% more than Clinton, but everyone chooses to ignore all
of that.
Finding lies in the trumpster's statements is a target rich environment.
Plus the guy only cares about himself. The guy we see today is
nothing more than a narcissist
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism).
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 11/10/2016 8:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
*From:* Rory Conaway
I’ll bite.
1)Climate change has scientists on both sides of the argument, both
with very good evidence behind them. The next question is whether
it’s man caused which it partially is, but to what extend.
Pollution bad, irrespective of climate.
2)It’s clear that Hillary and Obama’s policies have been a massive
failure so it’s time to do something different.
Obama launched more drones with bombs than anyone in the history of
the universe. Hard to tell if this has been good or bad for us.
Will Trump launch them like Obama? Time will tell. Have we had
more attacks on our homeland with Obama in office? Nothing big and
coordinated like 9/11, that is for certain. Absence of evidence is
not evidence of absence.
3)He didn’t win because of fear, he won because the Globalists, the
corrupt, and the anti-American attitude in Washington divided this
country and were selling out and destroying our core values. In
addition, they were bankrupting the country at the same time.
Liberals attacked everyone who didn’t like their policies and half
the country said enough was enough.
I think he won because half the country could not stand the thought
of listening to her voice for 4 years. Kinda like mars attacks. I
was going to get a recording of “Indian Love Call” for protection.
4)Hillary is a lying criminal, Bill a rapist and sexual predator,
and you think Trump has character problems.
Trump does have character problems. He has no filter, he has no
sense of decorum or diplomacy. He is a megalomaniac. So he
doesn’t have good optics. So what... at least he is new and
disruptive. This could prove to be fun. As for Bill and Hillary,
Nixon did bad things too, lots of them did.
5)Obama is a whole different story. That guy has lied from the day
he took office to his most recent lies about not knowing about
Hillary’s server.
We will never know if the Obama administration prevented another
9/11 attack or not. I am guessing he was effective. All upper
echelon politicians lie. The pigs gotta keep the sheep calm.
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Thursday, November 10, 2016 8:21 AM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Logistics
trump calls climate change a hoax... Forget the physics or
science... Has no foreign policy plan... Sound bites don't cut
it... He won because of fear by biligaana, period. Country is very
divided because he fueled these fears...
Someone in class yesterday said we should respect him.... Another
guy responded, Really the way he and others showed respect for Obama...
I can't respect him for his lack of character... I have stated it
clearly..
How ridiculous can he be when his staff cut his tweeter account
days before election? Heaven help us when he is charge... I noticed
no one answered or challenged me about leaving him alone with your
wife or daughters.... The silence was defeaning... And the public
works idea... Who the hell is doing all that work right now? Open
your eyes, visit construction sites around the southwest and even
Las Vegas... Go to job sites.... Facts not bullshit
On Nov 10, 2016 8:00 AM, "Sam Morris" <w...@csilogan.com> wrote:
If Clinton said it, that in and of itself is enough to call that
statement into question.
On 11/9/2016 12:09 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
Clinton said we can support
600,000 syrian refugees today. Thats 6 percent today of the
undocumented
population we could migrate into citizens...today