lol depends on whether youre looking for a pop or a rumbling boom On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 11:56 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> But if you are going to light it, may as well mix the O and the H but a > nice pop. > > *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm > *Sent:* Monday, December 5, 2016 10:51 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen > > with the electrolysis one lead made o2 one made h, had to keep the > seperate or your experiment would be nullified > > On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 11:44 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > >> If you strip back some lamp cord, plug it into the wall, drop it into >> water it makes browns gas much quicker. Mix of H and O that is nice and >> explosive. More fun than using DC electrolysis. But if you used a model >> train transformer you probably made browns too. >> >> *From:* Adam Moffett >> *Sent:* Monday, December 5, 2016 10:41 AM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen >> >> I made hydrogen with electrolysis specifically so I could have flammable >> gas to play with. Yes very slow. I used the transformer from my model >> trains as the power source, and I was ok with just setting it up and >> walking away while it slowly filled a balloon with gas. The biggest >> annoyance for me was not the speed of the process, but the fact that my >> electrodes kept corroding away. They were made of balls of tin foil....If I >> was cleverer back then I would have yanked a big bolt out of the garage and >> used that instead. >> >> I sure hope I can get my kids to play with stuff like this. Even if the >> only incentive is to make stuff go boom, I think a few singed eyebrows are >> worth the learning. >> >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> >> Sent: 12/5/2016 10:57:03 AM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen >> >> >> no, chuck, drain cleaner and foil is something you put in pop bottles and >> throw >> >> On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 9:32 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >> >>> Quick way to make hydrogen is to put some foil in a water solution of >>> sodium hydroxide (lye) drain cleaner. Cheap, easy, makes lots of gas, >>> fizzes and gets hot too. >>> >>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm >>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 4, 2016 8:12 PM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen >>> >>> In Jr high I needed hydrogen for a plant experiment I was doing, the >>> electrolysis method was too slow so I used zinc oxide from non alkaline AA >>> batteries. Is zinc still a thing in battery production? That could be a >>> good secondary market for battery recyclers. I used hydrocloric acid >>> because i had it, but sulfuric would have been more efficient, so the sla >>> recycling could be combined with the other battery recycling to generate >>> hydrogen. my method created a shit ton of toxic byproduct I had to >>> disappear, but i assume that could be addressed at scale >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 9:04 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < >>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Interesting perspective >>>> I can see the cord cutting component of consumer demand putting it on >>>> the purchased service from a provider, but I just cant wrap my head around >>>> government rebates on "green" tech being a component of pure capitalism >>>> since it demands that unwilling participants kick into the kitty for >>>> individuals to gain benefits, that sounds more socialist, even if it only >>>> benefits those wealthy enough to buy green tech >>>> >>>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 8:26 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> "just like cord cutting, and all the newest bestest greenest, >>>>> efficientest, its always on somebody elses back" >>>>> >>>>> - capitalism >>>>> >>>>> Although you could replace from cord cutting to efficientest with >>>>> "everything" and it would be "samesies" >>>>> >>>>> On Dec 4, 2016 5:53 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" < >>>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> capitalism has no mandate to offset others costs through forcible >>>>>> taxation that im aware. unless we are talking about the exchange of >>>>>> responsibilities via voluntary taxation of mileage in exchange for access >>>>>> to group resources like federal taxes. still not sure id call that strict >>>>>> capitalism >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 5:26 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> You realize what you just described in the strictest sense is called >>>>>>> capitalism, right? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 4, 2016 3:41 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" < >>>>>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> just like cord cutting, and all the newest bestest greenest, >>>>>>>> efficientest, its always on somebody elses back. if its regulation you >>>>>>>> want, its regulation you get...to get any, even a single penny, >>>>>>>> subsidy for >>>>>>>> "green tech, youre required to come to the dmv twice a yer for an >>>>>>>> odometer >>>>>>>> reading and tax form for you to pay your taxes. your vehicle has a huge >>>>>>>> environmental liability with the batteries (this should make the >>>>>>>> climate >>>>>>>> changers cream) so if you dont register a sale of the electric car, and >>>>>>>> dont get your odometer read, then you just get an annual tax bill for >>>>>>>> 250,000 miles >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Brian Webster < >>>>>>>> i...@wirelessmapping.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Imagine the motorhome also having a solar powered hydrogen fuel >>>>>>>>> cell to either make the hydrogen or have enough power to recharge the >>>>>>>>> batteries. Depending on how far you can go just on batteries and how >>>>>>>>> long >>>>>>>>> it takes to recharge on solar, you could pace your travels to be darn >>>>>>>>> near >>>>>>>>> free driving. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The one thing that governments are starting to struggle with now >>>>>>>>> is the road taxes that are technically owed. Right now they collect >>>>>>>>> it as >>>>>>>>> the gas/fuel pump for every gallon of fuel you purchase. I know in NY >>>>>>>>> state >>>>>>>>> technically if you own an electric car you are supposed to calculate >>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>> mileage driven on electric and then enter that on your tax return to >>>>>>>>> calculate how much you owe in road taxes that you did not pay at a gas >>>>>>>>> pump. I am sure that is honestly reported by citizens just like they >>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>> supposed to report all of their on line purchases that did not have NY >>>>>>>>> state sales taxes collected....... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank You, >>>>>>>>> Brian Webster >>>>>>>>> www.wirelessmapping.com >>>>>>>>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com <http://www.broadband-mapping.com/> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews >>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 6:39 PM >>>>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is what I want for a motor home, along with autopilot a la >>>>>>>>> tesla... >>>>>>>>> The easiest way to see north america as possible... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 12/02/2016 03:35 PM, George Skorup wrote: >>>>>>>>> > I would really like to see passenger vehicles and small trucks go >>>>>>>>> > hybrid hydrogen/electric. Even better would be an any-fuel >>>>>>>>> hybrid electric. >>>>>>>>> > Hydrogen, propane or NG and a regular gas tank for reserve. >>>>>>>>> Either >>>>>>>>> > that, or a gas turbine like an M1 Abrams that can burn anything, >>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>> > it would obviously need to get better fuel economy than 5 >>>>>>>>> gallons per mile. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > On 12/2/2016 4:49 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> Nikola Motor Company reveals hydrogen fuel cell truck with >>>>>>>>> range of >>>>>>>>> >> 1,200 miles - >>>>>>>>> >> http://arstechnica.co.uk/cars/2016/12/nikola-hydrogen-fuel-c >>>>>>>>> ell-truck >>>>>>>>> >> / >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your >>>>>>>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your >>>>>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your >>>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team >>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team >> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >> >> > > > -- > If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team > as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. > -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
