Windstream and CenturyLink both got huge siphoning off the public teat.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 2:42:24 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end Are we being Legal Definition accurate ? or being colloquial ? >The USF is not and was not and never will be a public subsidy. ??? it is a mandatory "Contribution" to the FCC's Slush Fund, on all providers, who (the telco's) have the right to 'recover' it from it's customers, and the beneficiary recipient of this Fund are the Telco's (ILEC's ? ) Considering the flow of money.... I would colloquially beg to differ :) ...I wonder where did Century Link found all the $$$ to go on a buying spree. > What is more - public money - tax money - was never used to build the PSTN > as is frequently erroneously cited. > The Guvmnt dumped bazillions of dollars into AT&T (does it matter for what ? > ) and Yes, these is a big game of chess / horseplay with lots of money changing hands between Gov & ILEC's (a good number of them). ???? on a separate note.. have you seen the dividend payout by CL and Frontier ? where do you think those $ are coming from ... :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 9:39:31 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end > The USF is not and was not and never will be a public subsidy. It is a > replacement for money that was taken away from the ILECS. Some of that > money was originally the AT&T "line haul" settlements and forced Ma Bell to > give the little guys a piece of the long distance revenue that originated or > terminated on their system. USF also replaced long distance revenue > intrastate that was forced by the various state regulatory bodies. > > So, everyone got super cheap long distance, lots of long distance choices, > but paid USF. Hardly a subsidy. > Moreover USF is a user FEE paid by the USERS of the PSTN. > It is not public money, it is not a tax. If you don't use the PSTN you > don't pay into the fund. > > What is more - public money - tax money - was never used to build the PSTN > as is frequently erroneously cited. > Yes, the REA, later named the RUS loaned public money to utilities, but > quickly became a profit center for the US Guvmnt. > Just the way some of you have SBA loans. > > What really made the telecommunications infrastructure great in the county > was the cold war. > The Guvmnt dumped bazillions of dollars into AT&T to attempt to create a > nuclear war proof long distance network. > But this was straight up defense contracting, not subsidy. Just a company > with the right product at the right time. > > I have been in this industry pre-divestiture. I watched the whole thing > evolve. > > And I watch the WISPs come from zero to the current state complaining the > whole time of the inherent advantages of the incumbent. > > Sour Grapes. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Faisal Imtiaz > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 5:16 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end > >> But really, would Wal-Mart be happy about giving up some prime shelf space >> for some dollar store product? > > Well here is the Rub on this.... if you take Wal-Mart for example, on one > hand they have a very successful business model, and offer savings and > convenience, on the other hand they are also responsible (contribution) for > decimating small businesses and small mfg in this country ( I am not say > that they were the only factor). > > The question becomes, though which lens do you want to review Wal-Mart from > ? > > You cannot have it both ways... :) > > Besides, Wal-Mart did not build their stores with public subsides.. (cough > cough.... USF funds as an example ). > > >> It was like Obamacare, some elements looked good on paper. > > I have my own opinion on this... I don't understand why everyone keep > harping on Obamacare....without even batting any eye on the un-checked greed > that allows for the Cost of Healtcare to be set with no limits in > > (It is a F***ing insurance policy to pay the Health Care tab....Call it what > ever care you want.. it will keep going up as long as the Cost of Health > care goes unchecked...... I challenge you to give it some thought and then > tell me Under the current health care system (not taking about > insurance)..who has the incentive for being economically conscious and > frugal for the sake of all parties involved......NO Body !!! it is is > everyone's personal benefit to charge and collect as much as they can, no > questions asked ! ! ....) > > > > > > > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 3:09:26 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end > >> CLECs were never really able to make any decent money from the get go. By >> design in my opinion. >> But really, would Wal-Mart be happy about giving up some prime shelf space >> for some dollar store product? >> It was like Obamacare, some elements looked good on paper. >> > > --
