Chuck, I do NOT agree that any company should be required or use govt. funds to build out broadband to ONE house in 20 miles because it's a right or a utility. Unless the customer agrees to pay the majority of the cost.
For homes like that which are so spread out that ROI is 50-100 years, they should be served with either Fixed Wireless or satellite internet. There is no sense in spending Govt. funding or even private dollars to build to 1 house every 5 or 20 miles. Makes so sense and is a complete waste of everyone's $$$ when satellite is an option. On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > Depends on what you call rural. I have served areas with perhaps 1 house > every 5 miles. You are not going to find a wisp willing to build out in > areas like that. I plowed 20 miles of fiber for one single house. > > *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:34 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these > > If WISPA does their job well, small business can more effectively service > the rural markets than the telcos, for alot less money > > On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Jason McKemie < > j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > >> You think? It seems like the Republicans are in the pocket of big telco, >> so I wouldn't hold my breath. >> >> On Wednesday, February 1, 2017, That One Guy /sarcasm < >> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> i think that bank account may be closed very soon >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Lipstick on a pig. The copper in still rotting in the ground and the >>>> only approved Centurylink fix appears to be the upgrade from black to >>>> orange trash bags. Except when those are out of stock. >>>> >>>> Centurylink will be back to the FCC shortly crying about how the need >>>> more support money to fix the plant. The only question is if they do it >>>> this year or next. >>>> >>>> Mark Radabaugh >>>> WISPA FCC Committee Chair >>>> fcc_ch...@wispa.org >>>> 419-261-5996 <(419)%20261-5996> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Feb 1, 2017, at 8:15 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> They couldn't before either, but they didn't give a shit. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From: *"Darin Steffl" <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> >>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 31, 2017 11:49:50 PM >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these >>>> >>>> These should all be fiber fed. Any new DSLAM's with CAF funding are >>>> very likely fiber fed. They just can't support the bandwidth requirements >>>> with only bonded T1's anymore. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 11:34 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> One would suspect a calix e7-2 or e7-20 (2Tbps backplane, 100Gbps link >>>>> to each line card). I don't think you can even feed those by anything >>>>> short >>>>> of at least a gig ethernet circuit. I never really tried on any of the >>>>> E7-2s I've used in the past though :) >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 31, 2017 11:29 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" < >>>>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Out of curiosity, do you know how are they feeding these shelves? >>>>>> >>>>>> I know that in at least one case a couple of years ago, Qwest was >>>>>> feeding an entire neighborhood on I think 4 T1's. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Darin Steffl < >>>>>> darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Exactly. Calix VDSL2 Remote DSLAM. These are the result of CAF >>>>>>> funding from Govt. to provide minimum 10/1 Mbps speeds to the census >>>>>>> blocks >>>>>>> they took funding for. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If Centurylink had crappy or no DSL in these areas before, expect >>>>>>> them to be able to offer somewhat functional to excellent DSL speeds to >>>>>>> customers in range of these remote DSLAMs. For really close customers, >>>>>>> they >>>>>>> may see up to 40/1 Mbps speeds. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Carl Peterson < >>>>>>> cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As someone already said, its clearly and E3. >>>>>>>> https://www.calix.com/systems/e-series/e3-e5-dsl.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 4:18 PM, George Skorup < >>>>>>>> george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regen would be my guess. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 1/31/2017 2:45 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> it got fiber ran into it for remote dslam to provide customers >>>>>>>>>> vdsl2 along that route. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Tim >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> From: "Carl Peterson" <cpeter...@portnetworks.com> >>>>>>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>>>> Date: 01/31/17 03:28 PM >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Calix. I'd guess G.Fast >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Josh Corson < >>>>>>>>>>>> j...@bluebitnetworks.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone know what these are? They are popping up on fairly >>>>>>>>>>>> rural >>>>>>>>>>>> areas of our coverage areas and on the state highways. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>>>> <mime-attachment.txt> >>>>>>>>>>>> <image1.JPG> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Carl Peterson >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *PORT NETWORKS* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Baltimore, MD 21202 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (410) 637-3707 <%28410%29%20637-3707> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Darin Steffl >>>>>>> Minnesota WiFi >>>>>>> www.mnwifi.com >>>>>>> 507-634-WiFi >>>>>>> <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook >>>>>>> <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.* >>>>>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 >>>>>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com >>>>>> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian> >>>>>> <http://facebook.com/packetflux> <http://twitter.com/@packetflux> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Darin Steffl >>>> Minnesota WiFi >>>> www.mnwifi.com >>>> 507-634-WiFi >>>> <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook >>>> <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team >>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >>> >> > > > -- > If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team > as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. > -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com 507-634-WiFi <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi>
