Chuck, Can you provide some scenarios where an ILEC is required to build? For example on that 20 mile build. Was there not already copper in the ground for voice service? I know an ILEC is required to provide voice but are they actually required to build to that customer at no charge to them for capital build? Internet is not required to be built with USF, just voice correct?
So for that 20 mile build, there were no other homes on that span and I'm assuming no usable copper so fiber was the logical choice? How was the build funded and justified? New home on some ranch in Montana or something? Small ILEC or big one like century link? I wouldn't think century link would ever build 20 miles to anyone at no cost to the end user. Trying to learn more about this. Thanks On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 12:02 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > The national doctrine of universal service does not allow you to > discriminate against people like that. Moreover the funds were borrowed > from the the USDA which is actually a profit center, so in reality this is > making money for the government. > > You do not have to agree, but universal service has been the law of the > land for about 75 years. > Satellite is not an option for low latency phone and data. You have to > give them the same service as the other customers. > > So, as long as the USDA is loaning money and as long as the FCC uses part > 32 and 36 to allow a return on the income and as long as the users of the > PSTN pay their USF FEES, it will continue. Again, no tax dollars are > harmed in this process. > > *From:* Darin Steffl > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:45 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these > Chuck, > > I do NOT agree that any company should be required or use govt. funds to > build out broadband to ONE house in 20 miles because it's a right or a > utility. Unless the customer agrees to pay the majority of the cost. > > For homes like that which are so spread out that ROI is 50-100 years, they > should be served with either Fixed Wireless or satellite internet. There is > no sense in spending Govt. funding or even private dollars to build to 1 > house every 5 or 20 miles. Makes so sense and is a complete waste of > everyone's $$$ when satellite is an option. > On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > Depends on what you call rural. I have served areas with perhaps 1 house > every 5 miles. You are not going to find a wisp willing to build out in > areas like that. I plowed 20 miles of fiber for one single house. > > *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:34 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these > > If WISPA does their job well, small business can more effectively service > the rural markets than the telcos, for alot less money > > On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Jason McKemie < > j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > > You think? It seems like the Republicans are in the pocket of big telco, > so I wouldn't hold my breath. > > On Wednesday, February 1, 2017, That One Guy /sarcasm < > thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > i think that bank account may be closed very soon > > On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> wrote: > > Lipstick on a pig. The copper in still rotting in the ground and the > only approved Centurylink fix appears to be the upgrade from black to > orange trash bags. Except when those are out of stock. > > Centurylink will be back to the FCC shortly crying about how the need more > support money to fix the plant. The only question is if they do it this > year or next. > > Mark Radabaugh > WISPA FCC Committee Chair > fcc_ch...@wispa.org > 419-261-5996 <(419)%20261-5996> > > > On Feb 1, 2017, at 8:15 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > They couldn't before either, but they didn't give a shit. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Darin Steffl" <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Tuesday, January 31, 2017 11:49:50 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these > > These should all be fiber fed. Any new DSLAM's with CAF funding are very > likely fiber fed. They just can't support the bandwidth requirements with > only bonded T1's anymore. > > On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 11:34 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> > wrote: > > One would suspect a calix e7-2 or e7-20 (2Tbps backplane, 100Gbps link to > each line card). I don't think you can even feed those by anything short of > at least a gig ethernet circuit. I never really tried on any of the E7-2s > I've used in the past though :) > > On Jan 31, 2017 11:29 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" < > li...@packetflux.com> wrote: > > Out of curiosity, do you know how are they feeding these shelves? > > I know that in at least one case a couple of years ago, Qwest was feeding > an entire neighborhood on I think 4 T1's. > > On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> > wrote: > > Exactly. Calix VDSL2 Remote DSLAM. These are the result of CAF funding > from Govt. to provide minimum 10/1 Mbps speeds to the census blocks they > took funding for. > > If Centurylink had crappy or no DSL in these areas before, expect them to > be able to offer somewhat functional to excellent DSL speeds to customers > in range of these remote DSLAMs. For really close customers, they may see > up to 40/1 Mbps speeds. > > On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Carl Peterson <cpeter...@portnetworks.com > > wrote: > > As someone already said, its clearly and E3. > https://www.calix.com/systems/e-series/e3-e5-dsl.html > > On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 4:18 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com> > wrote: > > Regen would be my guess. > > On 1/31/2017 2:45 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote: > > it got fiber ran into it for remote dslam to provide customers vdsl2 along > that route. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "Carl Peterson" <cpeter...@portnetworks.com> > To: af@afmug.com > Date: 01/31/17 03:28 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these > > Calix. I'd guess G.Fast > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 31, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Josh Corson <j...@bluebitnetworks.com> wrote: > > Does anyone know what these are? They are popping up on fairly rural > areas of our coverage areas and on the state highways. > > Thanks > <mime-attachment.txt> > <image1.JPG> > > > > > > > -- > > Carl Peterson > > *PORT NETWORKS* > > 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 > > Baltimore, MD 21202 > > (410) 637-3707 <%28410%29%20637-3707> > > > > > -- > Darin Steffl > Minnesota WiFi > www.mnwifi.com > 507-634-WiFi > <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook > <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> > > > > > -- > *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.* > Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 > forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com > <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian> <http://facebook.com/packetflux> > <http://twitter.com/@packetflux> > > > > > -- > Darin Steffl > Minnesota WiFi > www.mnwifi.com > 507-634-WiFi > <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook > <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> > > > > > > > > -- > If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team > as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. > > > > > -- > If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team > as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. > > > > > -- > Darin Steffl > Minnesota WiFi > www.mnwifi.com > 507-634-WiFi > <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook > <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> > -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com 507-634-WiFi <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi>
