Called the “duty to serve” which is legal doctrine dating back to the roman
empire. When you are granted the right to a road or waterway or whatever, you
must take all that will pay the tariff. It is the foundation of common
carriage.
An ILEC is a common carrier.
In more modern language it is called the POLR or Provider of Last Resort. When
applying for an RUS loan, you must canvass everyone in the area. All that want
service get service.
And so far, this is all voice. Internet comes along for the ride, but you
cannot build if they don’t ask for POTS.
From: Darin Steffl
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 11:17 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
Chuck,
Can you provide some scenarios where an ILEC is required to build? For example
on that 20 mile build. Was there not already copper in the ground for voice
service? I know an ILEC is required to provide voice but are they actually
required to build to that customer at no charge to them for capital build?
Internet is not required to be built with USF, just voice correct?
So for that 20 mile build, there were no other homes on that span and I'm
assuming no usable copper so fiber was the logical choice? How was the build
funded and justified? New home on some ranch in Montana or something?
Small ILEC or big one like century link? I wouldn't think century link would
ever build 20 miles to anyone at no cost to the end user.
Trying to learn more about this.
Thanks
On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 12:02 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
The national doctrine of universal service does not allow you to discriminate
against people like that. Moreover the funds were borrowed from the the USDA
which is actually a profit center, so in reality this is making money for the
government.
You do not have to agree, but universal service has been the law of the land
for about 75 years.
Satellite is not an option for low latency phone and data. You have to give
them the same service as the other customers.
So, as long as the USDA is loaning money and as long as the FCC uses part 32
and 36 to allow a return on the income and as long as the users of the PSTN pay
their USF FEES, it will continue. Again, no tax dollars are harmed in this
process.
From: Darin Steffl
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
Chuck,
I do NOT agree that any company should be required or use govt. funds to
build out broadband to ONE house in 20 miles because it's a right or a utility.
Unless the customer agrees to pay the majority of the cost.
For homes like that which are so spread out that ROI is 50-100 years, they
should be served with either Fixed Wireless or satellite internet. There is no
sense in spending Govt. funding or even private dollars to build to 1 house
every 5 or 20 miles. Makes so sense and is a complete waste of everyone's $$$
when satellite is an option.
On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Depends on what you call rural. I have served areas with perhaps 1 house
every 5 miles. You are not going to find a wisp willing to build out in areas
like that. I plowed 20 miles of fiber for one single house.
From: That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
If WISPA does their job well, small business can more effectively service
the rural markets than the telcos, for alot less money
On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Jason McKemie
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
You think? It seems like the Republicans are in the pocket of big telco,
so I wouldn't hold my breath.
On Wednesday, February 1, 2017, That One Guy /sarcasm
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
i think that bank account may be closed very soon
On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> wrote:
Lipstick on a pig. The copper in still rotting in the ground and
the only approved Centurylink fix appears to be the upgrade from black to
orange trash bags. Except when those are out of stock.
Centurylink will be back to the FCC shortly crying about how the need
more support money to fix the plant. The only question is if they do it this
year or next.
Mark Radabaugh
WISPA FCC Committee Chair
fcc_ch...@wispa.org
419-261-5996
On Feb 1, 2017, at 8:15 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
They couldn't before either, but they didn't give a shit.
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
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From: "Darin Steffl" <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 11:49:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
These should all be fiber fed. Any new DSLAM's with CAF funding are
very likely fiber fed. They just can't support the bandwidth requirements with
only bonded T1's anymore.
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 11:34 PM, Josh Reynolds
<j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
One would suspect a calix e7-2 or e7-20 (2Tbps backplane, 100Gbps
link to each line card). I don't think you can even feed those by anything
short of at least a gig ethernet circuit. I never really tried on any of the
E7-2s I've used in the past though :)
On Jan 31, 2017 11:29 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)"
<li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
Out of curiosity, do you know how are they feeding these
shelves?
I know that in at least one case a couple of years ago, Qwest
was feeding an entire neighborhood on I think 4 T1's.
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Darin Steffl
<darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> wrote:
Exactly. Calix VDSL2 Remote DSLAM. These are the result of
CAF funding from Govt. to provide minimum 10/1 Mbps speeds to the census blocks
they took funding for.
If Centurylink had crappy or no DSL in these areas before,
expect them to be able to offer somewhat functional to excellent DSL speeds to
customers in range of these remote DSLAMs. For really close customers, they may
see up to 40/1 Mbps speeds.
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Carl Peterson
<cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:
As someone already said, its clearly and E3.
https://www.calix.com/systems/e-series/e3-e5-dsl.html
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 4:18 PM, George Skorup
<george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote:
Regen would be my guess.
On 1/31/2017 2:45 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote:
it got fiber ran into it for remote dslam to provide
customers vdsl2 along that route.
Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: "Carl Peterson" <cpeter...@portnetworks.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 01/31/17 03:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
Calix. I'd guess G.Fast
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 31, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Josh Corson
<j...@bluebitnetworks.com> wrote:
Does anyone know what these are? They are popping
up on fairly rural
areas of our coverage areas and on the state
highways.
Thanks
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