Yep, just found out a few minutes ago that all my inlaws are coming up
here because it's a cluster fck down there... Rumors of a boil on the
eroded face are going around...
On 02/14/2017 01:36 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
This is more complicated than it might appear. The dam is owned and
operated (remotely) by the DWR, a water agency based in Los Angeles.
When the dam was designed 57 years ago, the auxiliary spillway was said
to "never be needed".
And 10 years ago, when several groups said they thought the spillway was
inadequate, the DWR (Los Angeles) and FERC (the Federal Energy
Regulatory Commission) said the upgrades were unnecessary.
and here we are today.
On Tuesday, February 14, 2017 1:15 PM, Lewis Bergman
<lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote:
And why hasn't the teaching district been pouring money into a sinking
fund for this sort of thing? Retarded. I see it all the time. Some
taxing district builds something but budgets no money to maintain it.
At some point we all have to act like grown ups. Why is it that we don't
expect our governments, at any level, to act at least as responsible as
our neighbors?
On Tue, Feb 14, 2017, 3:05 PM That One Guy /sarcasm
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
As much of a dick as I want the president to be about the money, if
its money they need to get this thing under control they better get
it, people are homeless right now til this get stabilized
On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Sam Morris <w...@csilogan.com
<mailto:w...@csilogan.com>> wrote:
Jerry Brown then: Trump is not my president!
Jerry Brown now: President Trump, will you please give us some
money?
:)
On 2/13/2017 1:28 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
are they opening dams downstream?
they really could truck in a bunch of 4 foot tile to siphon
over the
banks and direct the flow past the work areas, close the dam
gates and
initiate the repairs. I dont think I would want to be
working the boats
placing the tile topside though
On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Robert Andrews
<i...@avantwireless.com <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>
<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com
<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>>> wrote:
Putting plates into a waterflow of that volume will
pretty much be
certain to rip out of the concrete or create erosion of
the concrete
around the attachment points. Cavitation is a
bitch... Right now
they can't stop the flow. Also pretty much most of the
spillway
below the hole is gone, so there isn't a lot to attach
it to. The
turbines are shut down right now because the erosion has
created a
dam in the stream that has raised the water levels
upstream to the
point they cannot operate the turbines. The turbines
were maxed
out at 15K cfs up to that point. Yeah, I have been
pretty much
obsessing over this... My inlaws were stuck going
nowhere in Yuba
city last night for 4 hours in gridlock ( at one point
not moving
for 2 hours. ) before deciding it was safer at the house
on the
second floor...
On 02/13/2017 10:36 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Easy to armchair quarterback but I would think they
could bolt 1
inch
plates over the hole in the main spillway, put some
I beam piles
under
the plates and open it back up. At least until they
take some
inches
off the reservoir. I wonder if there is a way they
can set the
angle on
the turbines to waste more water there too.
-----Original Message----- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 11:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
<mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam
As of this morning they are saying the regular
spillway is
supporting
the 100K cfs without further damage. If that it
true, then
there is
the ability to deal with what's happening over the
next couple
of weeks,
which looks like 4-5 sequential storms. We got a
4-5 day break in
weather this week but if it goes back to last months
pattern we
are in
serious trouble throughout the west. That spillway
needs to do
100K cfs
for weeks to keep pressure off the hillside below
the emergency
spillway. Californa and the Feds were sued over in
2005 to put
concrete down on that hillside by the Sierra Club.
The worse case
situation is that the lake goes over the emergency
spillway, it
erodes
below, the spillway fails and the hill below what
was the
spillway just
keeps going away. Moving water, and it would be a
lot, would grand
canyon the hill... It would be enough water to
destroy most of the
feather river and Sacramento levee system below the
dam.. That
would
be really really bad... ( Inlaws in Yuba city )...
On 02/13/2017 08:47 AM, Jason Wilson wrote:
100,000cfs is correct. That spillway will support
250,000cfs, but the
Feather River channel will only support about
216,000cfs.
It has been
10 years since the Channel has been stressed to
this point,
last time
there were levee breaches. Their hope is to
drawdown the
reservoir 50
feet below the rim to do a couple things, one is
to take
pressure off of
the presumed damaged emergency spillway. The
other is to
make room for
precip that is coming into california towards
the end of the
week. Of
course they cannot do any repairs to the
facility until
after the rainy
season is over, and the snowmelt had finished.
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On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 8:31 AM, Bill Prince
<part15...@gmail.com
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>>
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>>>>
wrote:
I heard a reporter saying that the water
going over
that spillway
was doing 100,000 cubic feet per second. I
have a
really hard time
visualizing that amount of water. Could
also have been
a mis-quote
by the reporter...
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 2/13/2017 8:11 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
So the �good news� is they�re
going to drop
bags of rocks
from helicopters?____
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I hope my good news never involves
helicopters
dropping rocks.____
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