Where the soil is starting to move from water intrusion...
On 02/14/2017 01:54 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
whats a boil? On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Robert Andrews <i...@avantwireless.com <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote: Yep, just found out a few minutes ago that all my inlaws are coming up here because it's a cluster fck down there... Rumors of a boil on the eroded face are going around... On 02/14/2017 01:36 PM, Bill Prince wrote: This is more complicated than it might appear. The dam is owned and operated (remotely) by the DWR, a water agency based in Los Angeles. When the dam was designed 57 years ago, the auxiliary spillway was said to "never be needed". And 10 years ago, when several groups said they thought the spillway was inadequate, the DWR (Los Angeles) and FERC (the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission) said the upgrades were unnecessary. and here we are today. On Tuesday, February 14, 2017 1:15 PM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com <mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> wrote: And why hasn't the teaching district been pouring money into a sinking fund for this sort of thing? Retarded. I see it all the time. Some taxing district builds something but budgets no money to maintain it. At some point we all have to act like grown ups. Why is it that we don't expect our governments, at any level, to act at least as responsible as our neighbors? On Tue, Feb 14, 2017, 3:05 PM That One Guy /sarcasm <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>> wrote: As much of a dick as I want the president to be about the money, if its money they need to get this thing under control they better get it, people are homeless right now til this get stabilized On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Sam Morris <w...@csilogan.com <mailto:w...@csilogan.com> <mailto:w...@csilogan.com <mailto:w...@csilogan.com>>> wrote: Jerry Brown then: Trump is not my president! Jerry Brown now: President Trump, will you please give us some money? :) On 2/13/2017 1:28 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: are they opening dams downstream? they really could truck in a bunch of 4 foot tile to siphon over the banks and direct the flow past the work areas, close the dam gates and initiate the repairs. I dont think I would want to be working the boats placing the tile topside though On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Robert Andrews <i...@avantwireless.com <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>>>> wrote: Putting plates into a waterflow of that volume will pretty much be certain to rip out of the concrete or create erosion of the concrete around the attachment points. Cavitation is a bitch... Right now they can't stop the flow. Also pretty much most of the spillway below the hole is gone, so there isn't a lot to attach it to. The turbines are shut down right now because the erosion has created a dam in the stream that has raised the water levels upstream to the point they cannot operate the turbines. The turbines were maxed out at 15K cfs up to that point. Yeah, I have been pretty much obsessing over this... My inlaws were stuck going nowhere in Yuba city last night for 4 hours in gridlock ( at one point not moving for 2 hours. ) before deciding it was safer at the house on the second floor... On 02/13/2017 10:36 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: Easy to armchair quarterback but I would think they could bolt 1 inch plates over the hole in the main spillway, put some I beam piles under the plates and open it back up. At least until they take some inches off the reservoir. I wonder if there is a way they can set the angle on the turbines to waste more water there too. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Andrews Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 11:28 AM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>> <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam As of this morning they are saying the regular spillway is supporting the 100K cfs without further damage. If that it true, then there is the ability to deal with what's happening over the next couple of weeks, which looks like 4-5 sequential storms. We got a 4-5 day break in weather this week but if it goes back to last months pattern we are in serious trouble throughout the west. That spillway needs to do 100K cfs for weeks to keep pressure off the hillside below the emergency spillway. Californa and the Feds were sued over in 2005 to put concrete down on that hillside by the Sierra Club. The worse case situation is that the lake goes over the emergency spillway, it erodes below, the spillway fails and the hill below what was the spillway just keeps going away. Moving water, and it would be a lot, would grand canyon the hill... It would be enough water to destroy most of the feather river and Sacramento levee system below the dam.. That would be really really bad... ( Inlaws in Yuba city )... On 02/13/2017 08:47 AM, Jason Wilson wrote: 100,000cfs is correct. That spillway will support 250,000cfs, but the Feather River channel will only support about 216,000cfs. It has been 10 years since the Channel has been stressed to this point, last time there were levee breaches. Their hope is to drawdown the reservoir 50 feet below the rim to do a couple things, one is to take pressure off of the presumed damaged emergency spillway. The other is to make room for precip that is coming into california towards the end of the week. Of course they cannot do any repairs to the facility until after the rainy season is over, and the snowmelt had finished. 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I have a really hard time visualizing that amount of water. Could also have been a mis-quote by the reporter... bp <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 2/13/2017 8:11 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: So the �good news� is they�re going to drop bags of rocks from helicopters?____ __�__ I hope my good news never involves helicopters dropping rocks.____ -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
