whats a boil? On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Robert Andrews <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
> Yep, just found out a few minutes ago that all my inlaws are coming up > here because it's a cluster fck down there... Rumors of a boil on the > eroded face are going around... > > On 02/14/2017 01:36 PM, Bill Prince wrote: > >> This is more complicated than it might appear. The dam is owned and >> operated (remotely) by the DWR, a water agency based in Los Angeles. >> When the dam was designed 57 years ago, the auxiliary spillway was said >> to "never be needed". >> >> And 10 years ago, when several groups said they thought the spillway was >> inadequate, the DWR (Los Angeles) and FERC (the Federal Energy >> Regulatory Commission) said the upgrades were unnecessary. >> >> and here we are today. >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, February 14, 2017 1:15 PM, Lewis Bergman >> <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> And why hasn't the teaching district been pouring money into a sinking >> fund for this sort of thing? Retarded. I see it all the time. Some >> taxing district builds something but budgets no money to maintain it. >> At some point we all have to act like grown ups. Why is it that we don't >> expect our governments, at any level, to act at least as responsible as >> our neighbors? >> >> On Tue, Feb 14, 2017, 3:05 PM That One Guy /sarcasm >> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> As much of a dick as I want the president to be about the money, if >> its money they need to get this thing under control they better get >> it, people are homeless right now til this get stabilized >> >> On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Sam Morris <w...@csilogan.com >> <mailto:w...@csilogan.com>> wrote: >> >> Jerry Brown then: Trump is not my president! >> >> Jerry Brown now: President Trump, will you please give us some >> money? >> >> :) >> >> On 2/13/2017 1:28 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: >> >> are they opening dams downstream? >> >> they really could truck in a bunch of 4 foot tile to siphon >> over the >> banks and direct the flow past the work areas, close the dam >> gates and >> initiate the repairs. I dont think I would want to be >> working the boats >> placing the tile topside though >> >> On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Robert Andrews >> <i...@avantwireless.com <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> >> <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com >> >> <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>>> wrote: >> >> Putting plates into a waterflow of that volume will >> pretty much be >> certain to rip out of the concrete or create erosion of >> the concrete >> around the attachment points. Cavitation is a >> bitch... Right now >> they can't stop the flow. Also pretty much most of the >> spillway >> below the hole is gone, so there isn't a lot to attach >> it to. The >> turbines are shut down right now because the erosion has >> created a >> dam in the stream that has raised the water levels >> upstream to the >> point they cannot operate the turbines. The turbines >> were maxed >> out at 15K cfs up to that point. Yeah, I have been >> pretty much >> obsessing over this... My inlaws were stuck going >> nowhere in Yuba >> city last night for 4 hours in gridlock ( at one point >> not moving >> for 2 hours. ) before deciding it was safer at the house >> on the >> second floor... >> >> >> >> On 02/13/2017 10:36 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: >> >> Easy to armchair quarterback but I would think they >> could bolt 1 >> inch >> plates over the hole in the main spillway, put some >> I beam piles >> under >> the plates and open it back up. At least until they >> take some >> inches >> off the reservoir. I wonder if there is a way they >> can set the >> angle on >> the turbines to waste more water there too. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Robert Andrews >> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 11:28 AM >> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >> <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam >> >> As of this morning they are saying the regular >> spillway is >> supporting >> the 100K cfs without further damage. If that it >> true, then >> there is >> the ability to deal with what's happening over the >> next couple >> of weeks, >> which looks like 4-5 sequential storms. We got a >> 4-5 day break in >> weather this week but if it goes back to last months >> pattern we >> are in >> serious trouble throughout the west. That spillway >> needs to do >> 100K cfs >> for weeks to keep pressure off the hillside below >> the emergency >> spillway. Californa and the Feds were sued over in >> 2005 to put >> concrete down on that hillside by the Sierra Club. >> The worse case >> situation is that the lake goes over the emergency >> spillway, it >> erodes >> below, the spillway fails and the hill below what >> was the >> spillway just >> keeps going away. Moving water, and it would be a >> lot, would grand >> canyon the hill... It would be enough water to >> destroy most of the >> feather river and Sacramento levee system below the >> dam.. That >> would >> be really really bad... ( Inlaws in Yuba city )... >> >> On 02/13/2017 08:47 AM, Jason Wilson wrote: >> >> 100,000cfs is correct. That spillway will support >> 250,000cfs, but the >> Feather River channel will only support about >> 216,000cfs. >> It has been >> 10 years since the Channel has been stressed to >> this point, >> last time >> there were levee breaches. Their hope is to >> drawdown the >> reservoir 50 >> feet below the rim to do a couple things, one is >> to take >> pressure off of >> the presumed damaged emergency spillway. The >> other is to >> make room for >> precip that is coming into california towards >> the end of the >> week. Of >> course they cannot do any repairs to the >> facility until >> after the rainy >> season is over, and the snowmelt had finished. >> >> >> >> Jason Wilson >> Remotely Located >> Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way >> places. >> 530-651-1736 <tel:530-651-1736> >> 530-748-9608 <tel:530-748-9608> Cell >> www.remotelylocated.com >> <http://www.remotelylocated.com/> >> <http://www.remotelylocated.com >> <http://www.remotelylocated.com/>> >> <http://www.remotelylocated.com >> <http://www.remotelylocated.com/> >> <http://www.remotelylocated.com >> <http://www.remotelylocated.com/>>> >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 8:31 AM, Bill Prince >> <part15...@gmail.com >> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com >> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> >> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com >> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com >> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>>>> >> wrote: >> >> I heard a reporter saying that the water >> going over >> that spillway >> was doing 100,000 cubic feet per second. I >> have a >> really hard time >> visualizing that amount of water. Could >> also have been >> a mis-quote >> by the reporter... >> >> >> bp >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >> >> On 2/13/2017 8:11 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >> >> >> So the �good news� is they�re >> going to drop >> bags of rocks >> from helicopters?____ >> >> __�__ >> >> I hope my good news never involves >> helicopters >> dropping rocks.____ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't >> see your team >> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the >> team. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your >> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >> >> >> >> -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
