I don' think I made a personal attack. I said , in this case, you had no
clue. I think, being that I am always right in my own mind, that
statement is accurate. It isn't personal as I don't even know who you are.
I obviously offended you and for that, I apologize.
It is fun to play conspiracy theory all day. In this case, the
conspiracy is really about buying votes and favor from voters and party
factions with policy. Yes, that translates to political power which also
translates to money. Lets be honest, doesn't about 85% of the crap each
of us do all day have to do with money? Obama didn't want the pipeline
because a faction of his party hated the idea. Mostly a symbolic fight
as pipeline or no pipeline the oil still moves. Trump wants the pipeline
because he made promises about jobs and again, it is a symbol, this time
about how gov gets in the way of business.
In the end, the oil still moves. If everyone who hates oil and coal
would just stop using any good or service that benefits as a result of
those fuels the problem would be solved. Oh yea, you can't because
literally everything is impacted by one of those. Why, because to date,
it has the highest energy output for the cost. Address that and the
issue will take care of itself.
On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 8:27 AM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com
<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
Ok, Lewis,
Shift to a personal attack.
I am saying that there is a back story to a lot of this
enviro whacko
stuff. And the There is $$ that is funneled into that from those that
have that in spades. As there is money that is funneled into the other
side. That's the money that the Indians are getting. Yes Buffett
benefits from railroad transport, he has Yuge investments in the
railroads in the US and oil transport. AND, interestingly, he benefits
when coal starts getting transported in larger amounts. Koch brothers
still have huge investments in the pipeline infrastructure in the US.
Go back 20 years ago and it was estimated that they had direct and
indirect control of 80 percent of buried pipeline in the US. They have
decreased investment into pipelines greatly. But are still in the game
in a major way.
https://cleantechnica.com/2015/02/10/transportation-game-keystone-xl-pipeline-koch-brothers-cant-let-go/
On 2/17/17 5:19 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
> Oh I got it. You have no clue, at least in this case. If you look
at the
> reasoning behind its delay it was enviro whacko appeasement. Not
saying
> Buffet didn't benefit but that wasn't the reason. Koch brothers
have as
> little to do with it being built as Buffet did with its delay. The
> current "build it NOW" isn't based on Koch contributions; its based on
> low hanging fruit for Trump to pick saying he is a winner creating
jobs.
>
> In the end, Pipelines are more efficient and safer than trains for
> moving oil. For other things, trains are great. Trains are great
UNTIL a
> pipeline is built. Having dealt with the indian nations over the last
> couple of decades with NEPA studies and the like they have no standing
> in my mind. They really couldn't care about what harm you might or
might
> not do to some ancient ancestral grounds. They base their bribe
request
> on what they think they can get out of you.
> I know...not politically correct. So what.
>
> Really, this kind of over simplification and demonizing crap is
what got
> us where we are today.
>
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 8:14 PM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com
<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>
> <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>>>
wrote:
>
> Follow the money... Pipeline vs tank car is all about who is
profiting
> from moving the oil... Tank car is Buffett, Oil line is Koch
> brothers... Got it?
>
> On 2/16/17 5:31 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
> > Really? Pipeline? So you think carying all that oil via
train is
> safer
> > and has less a footprint?
> >
> > I really don't give a crap, just don't get the arguement.
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 16, 2017, 5:50 PM Jaime Solorza
> <losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
> > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>>> wrote:
> >
> > i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's
ability to
> > do anything worthwhile.... He does the glamour shots...
Repeal
> > restrictions on dumping coal related crap into streams and
> forest in
> > the name of creating jobs... Same with pipe line..... Short
> > sighted.... Our mother has been raped and left to die in
> disgrace..
> > Stock market will do what it does in long run with or
without help
> > of Afraid of his Shadow, Draft Dodging, Clown Trump...
> >
> > On Feb 16, 2017 4:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
> > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>>> wrote:
> >
> > FWIW, my investment advisor just recommended moving
out of
> > individual stocks and into managed funds of mixed
bonds and
> > equities, as well as emphasizing Europe. Evidently
their
> > analysts believe we are into a bubble in US stock
prices and
> > that President Agent Orange is likely to mess
something up but
> > no way to predict what it will be and hedge against
it.____
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>
> <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>>
> > <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>
> <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>>>]
*On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> > *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:59 PM
> > *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
<mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
> <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
<mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>>
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama
> admin...____
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > We will survive him. I really like what the stock
market is
> > doing. UAW pushing buy American again. Liberal heads
> > exploding. All good stuff. ____
> >
> > ____
> >
> > I still don’t like him, probably never will. But I
do enjoy
> > seeing him giving the media crap. I like that he is
> > unpredictable. Bull in china shop, monkey with
machine gun
> > maybe it will churn the swamp enough to actually change
> things.
> > ____
> >
> > ____
> >
> > Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he
read some
> > document, he missed the classic Nancy Pelosi “we
have to pass
> > the bill so you can find out what’s in it
comment”... Would
> > have been a good rejoinder. ____
> >
> > ____
> >
> > Just so he does not start another shooting war...____
> >
> > ____
> >
> > *From:*Adam Moffett ____
> >
> > *Sent:*Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:51 PM____
> >
> > *To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
<mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
> <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
<mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>> ____
> >
> > *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New
Powers
> > before he left____
> >
> > ____
> >
> > For all of our sakes I hope he is really going to be
good
> at his
> > new job and that the press really is being unfair to
him.____
> >
> > I listened to some of the press conference on NPR
today during
> > lunch. He definitely was combative with the press.
____
> >
> > ____
> >
> > I think it's pretty clear to anyone that he won only
just
> > barely. The numbers speak for themselves. But like the
> > inauguration crowd thing, he just can't accept it
for some
> > reason. On this particular point at least he needs to
> grow up.____
> >
> > ____
> >
> > ____
> >
> > ------ Original Message ------____
> >
> > From: "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
> > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>>>____
> >
> > To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com
<mailto:af@afmug.com> <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
> <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
<mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>>>____
> >
> > Sent: 2/16/2017 5:34:59 PM____
> >
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New
Powers
> > before he left____
> >
> > ____
> >
> > Now my sides are aching.... Fine tuned
machine.... ____
> >
> > ____
> >
> >
>
https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpost-politics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-says-he-inherited-a-mess-blasts-media-and-detractors-for-treatment-of-his-administration%2F#pt0-543071____
> >
> > ____
> >
> > On Feb 16, 2017 3:31 PM, "Chuck McCown"
> <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
> > <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>>>
> wrote:____
> >
> > I will always wonder about agent orange.
When I was a
> > kid, my dad sold farm chemicals to
supplement the
> meager
> > living the dry land wheat farm/ranch was
> producing. We
> > had barrels of 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T around and
I remember
> > getting coated with the stuff by an aerial
applicator
> > once. The barrels were actually orange and had
> the Olin
> > logos on them. This was early 1960s. None
of us ever
> > suffered the symptoms commonly associated
with agent
> > orange. Odd... ____
> >
> > ____
> >
> > *From:*Bill Prince ____
> >
> > *Sent:*Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:26 PM____
> >
> > *To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
<mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
> <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
<mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>> ____
> >
> > *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA
Broad New
> > Powers before he left____
> >
> > ____
> >
> > Any relationship between reality and Agent
Orange is
> > purely coincidental.____
> >
> > ____
> >
> > bp____
> >
> > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>____
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > On 2/16/2017 2:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:____
> >
> > Strange. I think he purchased a reality
> distortion
> > field generator from Steve Jobs but does not
> > understand that it only works in
Cupertino. ____
> >
> > ____
> >
> > *From:*Jaime Solorza ____
> >
> > *Sent:*Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:50
PM____
> >
> > *To:*Animal Farm ____
> >
> > *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA
> Broad New
> > Powers before he left____
> >
> > ____
> >
> > Laughing my ass off ____
> >
> >
>
https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Famp.usatoday.com%2Fstory%2F98002648%2F#pt0-986112____
> >
> > ____
> >
> > ____
> >
> > ____
> >
> > On Feb 16, 2017 2:00 PM, "Bill Prince"
> > <part15...@gmail.com
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>
> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>>
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>
> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>>>>
> > wrote:____
> >
> > You made me look it up Josh. Not
having had to
> > cross the border in a while, I was
in the
> dark.
> > Then, as it happens, I listened to this
> podcast:____
> >
> >
> http://www.wnyc.org/story/what-we-know-about-border/____
> >
> > ____
> >
> > bp____
> >
> > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>____
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > On 2/15/2017 3:36 PM, Josh Reynolds
wrote:____
> >
> > You are not protected by the
Constitution
> > when at the border. DHS has legal
> rights to
> > detain you indefinitely until they
> feel like
> > you are not a threat. ____
> >
> > ____
> >
> > Good luck with that.____
> >
> > ____
> >
> > On Feb 15, 2017 5:21 PM, "Bill
Prince"
> > <part15...@gmail.com
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>
> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>>
> > <mailto:part15...@gmail.com
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>
> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>>>>
wrote:____
> >
> > If someone asks me to unlock my
> phone, I
> > would ask them to show me their
> warrant.____
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > On Wednesday, February 15, 2017
> 3:01 PM,
> > Josh Reynolds
> <j...@kyneticwifi.com <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>
<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>>
> > <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com
<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>>>>
wrote:____
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > This recently happened to an
> individual
> > with a government issued phone
> from NASA
> > JPL, and there's a huge
stink because
> > the DHS didn't have
clearance to view
> > the classification of the
material on
> > this device.____
> >
> > ____
> >
> > On Feb 15, 2017 4:58 PM,
"Ken Hohhof"
> > <af...@kwisp.com
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
> > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>>> wrote:____
> >
> > If you travel outside
the country,
> > and carry any electronic
devices
> > like phones and laptops, be
> prepared
> > for the possibility they may
> demand
> > that you unlock the
device and let
> > them rummage through your
> files and
> > social media posts. Even if
> you are
> > just an ordinary
citizen. If you
> > think they need a
warrant for
> this,
> > you would be mistaken.
They can
> > probably only detain
your for
> maybe
> > a day and confiscate your
> phone, but
> > you don’t have the same
rights as
> > you would if a cop
stopped you on
> > the street.____
> >
> > ____
> >
> > There are rumors the
retro Nokia
> > 3310 phone will be
revived. That
> > would probably be a good one
> to take
> > on foreign trips.____
> >
> > ____
> >
> > ____
> >
> > *From:*Af
> >
[mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>
> <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>>] *On
> > Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, February
> 15, 2017
> > 4:40 PM
> > *To:* af@afmug.com
<mailto:af@afmug.com>
> <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
<mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> <mailto:af@afmug.com
<mailto:af@afmug.com>>>
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG]
Obama Admin
> > Gave NSA Broad New Powers
> before he
> > left____
> >
> > ____
> >
> > Computer wore tennis
shoes.____
> >
> > Janitor____
> >
> > Mop bucket____
> >
> > Been done before____
> >
> > ____
> >
> > *From:*That One Guy
/sarcasm ____
> >
> > *Sent:*Wednesday,
February 15,
> 2017
> > 3:34 PM____
> >
> > *To:*af@afmug.com
<mailto:af@afmug.com>
> <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
> > <mailto:af@afmug.com
<mailto:af@afmug.com>
> <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>> ____
> >
> > *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG]
Obama Admin
> > Gave NSA Broad New Powers
> before he
> > left____
> >
> > ____
> >
> > This is interesting,
explains alot
> > of the leakage. so basically
> now the
> > janitors can take a
little gander
> > every now and then____
> >
> > ____
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at
4:22 PM,
> > Steve
<li...@wavedirect.org <mailto:li...@wavedirect.org>
> <mailto:li...@wavedirect.org <mailto:li...@wavedirect.org>>
> >
<mailto:li...@wavedirect.org <mailto:li...@wavedirect.org>
> <mailto:li...@wavedirect.org <mailto:li...@wavedirect.org>>>>
> > wrote:____
> >
> > The new rules
significantly
> > relax longstanding
limits on
> > what the N.S.A. may do
> with the
> > information gathered by
> its most
> > powerful surveillance
> > operations, which
are largely
> > unregulated by American
> > wiretapping laws. These
> include
> > collecting satellite
> > transmissions, phone
calls and
> > emails that cross
network
> > switches abroad, and
messages
> > between people
abroad that
> cross
> > domestic network
switches.
> >
> >
>
https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/02/15/surprise-at-the-end-obama-administration-gave-nsa-broad-new-powers/____
> >
> >
> >
> > ____
> >
> > ____
> >
> > -- ____
> >
> > If you only see yourself as
> part of
> > the team but you don't see
> your team
> > as part of yourself you have
> already
> > failed as part of the
team.____
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > __ __
> >
> >
>
