Good morning Lewis, the coffee is ready, I added some cinnamon to it, Bacon on stove.... Making breakfast for wife... She works today, I have to stay home with contractors when they arrive at 9 ....how's your morning?
On Feb 18, 2017 6:04 AM, "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote: > Sorry again. > I don't think there will be any rail jobs lost. I know some people in the > rail business and there is a pretty large backlog. Not that they are happy > about taking freight of their books but I seriously doubt they will lau > people off. The biggest reason is that their cost to lay their people of > is quite large. > > On Fri, Feb 17, 2017, 8:39 PM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote: > >> I think the points on oil you make are valid. Your point that I have >> no clue, is a personal attack a) in that you have no idea who I am b) >> you have no idea of what I know or how I might know what I profess to >> know. >> >> You may debate that there are two factions controlling this effort and >> their motives but that isn't what you said. And that is what I am >> trying to get you and others to understand. This situation is exactly >> about what method to transport and the profits of those methods. Obama >> was backed by railroaders and trump is aligned with pipers.. I don't >> think he is "backed" but the partners he plays with are in the other >> camp. And the number of railroad workers put out of work by this >> pipeline isn't being considered by trump and after construction, it's >> similar to the other side. >> >> On 2/17/17 7:11 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote: >> > I don' think I made a personal attack. I said , in this case, you had no >> > clue. I think, being that I am always right in my own mind, that >> > statement is accurate. It isn't personal as I don't even know who you >> are. >> > >> > I obviously offended you and for that, I apologize. >> > It is fun to play conspiracy theory all day. In this case, the >> > conspiracy is really about buying votes and favor from voters and party >> > factions with policy. Yes, that translates to political power which also >> > translates to money. Lets be honest, doesn't about 85% of the crap each >> > of us do all day have to do with money? Obama didn't want the pipeline >> > because a faction of his party hated the idea. Mostly a symbolic fight >> > as pipeline or no pipeline the oil still moves. Trump wants the pipeline >> > because he made promises about jobs and again, it is a symbol, this time >> > about how gov gets in the way of business. >> > >> > In the end, the oil still moves. If everyone who hates oil and coal >> > would just stop using any good or service that benefits as a result of >> > those fuels the problem would be solved. Oh yea, you can't because >> > literally everything is impacted by one of those. Why, because to date, >> > it has the highest energy output for the cost. Address that and the >> > issue will take care of itself. >> > >> > On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 8:27 AM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com >> > <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote: >> > >> > Ok, Lewis, >> > Shift to a personal attack. >> > >> > I am saying that there is a back story to a lot of this >> > enviro whacko >> > stuff. And the There is $$ that is funneled into that from those >> that >> > have that in spades. As there is money that is funneled into the >> other >> > side. That's the money that the Indians are getting. Yes Buffett >> > benefits from railroad transport, he has Yuge investments in the >> > railroads in the US and oil transport. AND, interestingly, he >> benefits >> > when coal starts getting transported in larger amounts. Koch >> brothers >> > still have huge investments in the pipeline infrastructure in the >> US. >> > Go back 20 years ago and it was estimated that they had direct and >> > indirect control of 80 percent of buried pipeline in the US. They >> have >> > decreased investment into pipelines greatly. But are still in the >> game >> > in a major way. >> > >> > https://cleantechnica.com/2015/02/10/transportation- >> game-keystone-xl-pipeline-koch-brothers-cant-let-go/ >> > >> > >> > On 2/17/17 5:19 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote: >> > > Oh I got it. You have no clue, at least in this case. If you look >> > at the >> > > reasoning behind its delay it was enviro whacko appeasement. Not >> > saying >> > > Buffet didn't benefit but that wasn't the reason. Koch brothers >> > have as >> > > little to do with it being built as Buffet did with its delay. The >> > > current "build it NOW" isn't based on Koch contributions; its >> based on >> > > low hanging fruit for Trump to pick saying he is a winner creating >> > jobs. >> > > >> > > In the end, Pipelines are more efficient and safer than trains for >> > > moving oil. For other things, trains are great. Trains are great >> > UNTIL a >> > > pipeline is built. Having dealt with the indian nations over the >> last >> > > couple of decades with NEPA studies and the like they have no >> standing >> > > in my mind. They really couldn't care about what harm you might or >> > might >> > > not do to some ancient ancestral grounds. They base their bribe >> > request >> > > on what they think they can get out of you. >> > > I know...not politically correct. So what. >> > > >> > > Really, this kind of over simplification and demonizing crap is >> > what got >> > > us where we are today. >> > > >> > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 8:14 PM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com >> > <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> >> > > <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>>> >> > wrote: >> > > >> > > Follow the money... Pipeline vs tank car is all about who is >> > profiting >> > > from moving the oil... Tank car is Buffett, Oil line is Koch >> > > brothers... Got it? >> > > >> > > On 2/16/17 5:31 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote: >> > > > Really? Pipeline? So you think carying all that oil via >> > train is >> > > safer >> > > > and has less a footprint? >> > > > >> > > > I really don't give a crap, just don't get the arguement. >> > > > >> > > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2017, 5:50 PM Jaime Solorza >> > > <losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >> > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com >> >> >> > > > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com >> > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >> > > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com >> > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>>> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's >> > ability to >> > > > do anything worthwhile.... He does the glamour shots... >> > Repeal >> > > > restrictions on dumping coal related crap into streams >> and >> > > forest in >> > > > the name of creating jobs... Same with pipe line..... >> Short >> > > > sighted.... Our mother has been raped and left to die in >> > > disgrace.. >> > > > Stock market will do what it does in long run with or >> > without help >> > > > of Afraid of his Shadow, Draft Dodging, Clown Trump... >> > > > >> > > > On Feb 16, 2017 4:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com >> > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com> >> > > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> >> > > > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com> >> > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>>> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > FWIW, my investment advisor just recommended moving >> > out of >> > > > individual stocks and into managed funds of mixed >> > bonds and >> > > > equities, as well as emphasizing Europe. Evidently >> > their >> > > > analysts believe we are into a bubble in US stock >> > prices and >> > > > that President Agent Orange is likely to mess >> > something up but >> > > > no way to predict what it will be and hedge against >> > it.____ >> > > > >> > > > __ __ >> > > > >> > > > __ __ >> > > > >> > > > *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com >> > <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> >> > > <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> >> > > > <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com >> > <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> >> > > <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>>>] >> > *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown >> > > > *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:59 PM >> > > > *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >> > <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>> >> > > <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >> > <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>> >> > > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama >> > > admin...____ >> > > > >> > > > __ __ >> > > > >> > > > We will survive him. I really like what the stock >> > market is >> > > > doing. UAW pushing buy American again. Liberal >> heads >> > > > exploding. All good stuff. ____ >> > > > >> > > > ____ >> > > > >> > > > I still don’t like him, probably never will. But I >> > do enjoy >> > > > seeing him giving the media crap. I like that he is >> > > > unpredictable. Bull in china shop, monkey with >> > machine gun >> > > > maybe it will churn the swamp enough to actually >> change >> > > things. >> > > > ____ >> > > > >> > > > ____ >> > > > >> > > > Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he >> > read some >> > > > document, he missed the classic Nancy Pelosi “we >> > have to pass >> > > > the bill so you can find out what’s in it >> > comment”... Would >> > > > have been a good rejoinder. ____ >> > > > >> > > > ____ >> > > > >> > > > Just so he does not start another shooting >> war...____ >> > > > >> > > > ____ >> > > > >> > > > *From:*Adam Moffett ____ >> > > > >> > > > *Sent:*Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:51 PM____ >> > > > >> > > > *To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >> > <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>> >> > > <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >> > <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>> ____ >> > > > >> > > > *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New >> > Powers >> > > > before he left____ >> > > > >> > > > ____ >> > > > >> > > > For all of our sakes I hope he is really going to be >> > good >> > > at his >> > > > new job and that the press really is being unfair to >> > him.____ >> > > > >> > > > I listened to some of the press conference on NPR >> > today during >> > > > lunch. He definitely was combative with the press. >> > ____ >> > > > >> > > > ____ >> > > > >> > > > I think it's pretty clear to anyone that he won only >> > just >> > > > barely. The numbers speak for themselves. But >> like the >> > > > inauguration crowd thing, he just can't accept it >> > for some >> > > > reason. On this particular point at least he needs >> to >> > > grow up.____ >> > > > >> > > > ____ >> > > > >> > > > ____ >> > > > >> > > > ------ Original Message ------____ >> > > > >> > > > From: "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com >> > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >> > > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com >> > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> >> > > > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com >> > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >> > > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com >> > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>>>____ >> > > > >> > > > To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com >> > <mailto:af@afmug.com> <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>> >> > > <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >> > <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>>>____ >> > > > >> > > > Sent: 2/16/2017 5:34:59 PM____ >> > > > >> > > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New >> > Powers >> > > > before he left____ >> > > > >> > > > ____ >> > > > >> > > > Now my sides are aching.... Fine tuned >> > machine.... ____ >> > > > >> > > > ____ >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww. >> washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpost-politics%2Fwp% >> 2F2017%2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-says-he-inherited-a-mess-blasts- >> media-and-detractors-for-treatment-of-his-administration%2F#pt0-543071__ >> __ >> > > > >> > > > ____ >> > > > >> > > > On Feb 16, 2017 3:31 PM, "Chuck McCown" >> > > <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> >> > <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> >> > > > <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com >> > >> > <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>>> >> > > wrote:____ >> > > > >> > > > I will always wonder about agent orange. >> > When I was a >> > > > kid, my dad sold farm chemicals to >> > supplement the >> > > meager >> > > > living the dry land wheat farm/ranch was >> > > producing. We >> > > > had barrels of 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T around and >> > I remember >> > > > getting coated with the stuff by an aerial >> > applicator >> > > > once. The barrels were actually orange and >> had >> > > the Olin >> > > > logos on them. This was early 1960s. None >> > of us ever >> > > > suffered the symptoms commonly associated >> > with agent >> > > > orange. Odd... ____ >> > > > >> > > > ____ >> > > > >> > > > *From:*Bill Prince ____ >> > > > >> > > > *Sent:*Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:26 >> PM____ >> > > > >> > > > *To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >> > <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>> >> > > <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >> > <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>> ____ >> > > > >> > > > *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA >> > Broad New >> > > > Powers before he left____ >> > > > >> > > > ____ >> > > > >> > > > Any relationship between reality and Agent >> > Orange is >> > > > purely coincidental.____ >> > > > >> > > > ____ >> > > > >> > > > bp____ >> > > > >> > > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>____ >> > > > >> > > > __ __ >> > > > >> > > > On 2/16/2017 2:06 PM, Chuck McCown >> wrote:____ >> > > > >> > > > Strange. I think he purchased a reality >> > > distortion >> > > > field generator from Steve Jobs but >> does not >> > > > understand that it only works in >> > Cupertino. ____ >> > > > >> > > > ____ >> > > > >> > > > *From:*Jaime Solorza ____ >> > > > >> > > > *Sent:*Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:50 >> > PM____ >> > > > >> > > > *To:*Animal Farm ____ >> > > > >> > > > *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave >> NSA >> > > Broad New >> > > > Powers before he left____ >> > > > >> > > > ____ >> > > > >> > > > Laughing my ass off ____ >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Famp. >> usatoday.com%2Fstory%2F98002648%2F#pt0-986112____ >> > > > >> > > > ____ >> > > > >> > > > ____ >> > > > >> > > > ____ >> > > > >> > > > On Feb 16, 2017 2:00 PM, "Bill Prince" >> > > > <part15...@gmail.com >> > <mailto:part15...@gmail.com> >> > > <mailto:part15...@gmail.com <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> >> > <mailto:part15...@gmail.com <mailto:part15...@gmail.com> >> > > <mailto:part15...@gmail.com <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>>>> >> > > > wrote:____ >> > > > >> > > > You made me look it up Josh. Not >> > having had to >> > > > cross the border in a while, I was >> > in the >> > > dark. >> > > > Then, as it happens, I listened to >> this >> > > podcast:____ >> > > > >> > > > >> > > http://www.wnyc.org/story/what-we-know-about-border/____ >> > > > >> > > > ____ >> > > > >> > > > bp____ >> > > > >> > > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>____ >> > > > >> > > > __ __ >> > > > >> > > > On 2/15/2017 3:36 PM, Josh Reynolds >> > wrote:____ >> > > > >> > > > You are not protected by the >> > Constitution >> > > > when at the border. DHS has >> legal >> > > rights to >> > > > detain you indefinitely until >> they >> > > feel like >> > > > you are not a threat. ____ >> > > > >> > > > ____ >> > > > >> > > > Good luck with that.____ >> > > > >> > > > ____ >> > > > >> > > > On Feb 15, 2017 5:21 PM, "Bill >> > Prince" >> > > > <part15...@gmail.com >> > <mailto:part15...@gmail.com> >> > > <mailto:part15...@gmail.com <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> >> > > > <mailto:part15...@gmail.com >> > <mailto:part15...@gmail.com> >> > > <mailto:part15...@gmail.com <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>>>> >> > wrote:____ >> > > > >> > > > If someone asks me to >> unlock my >> > > phone, I >> > > > would ask them to show me >> their >> > > warrant.____ >> > > > >> > > > __ __ >> > > > >> > > > On Wednesday, February 15, >> 2017 >> > > 3:01 PM, >> > > > Josh Reynolds >> > > <j...@kyneticwifi.com <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com> >> > <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> >> > > > <mailto: >> j...@kyneticwifi.com >> > <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com> >> > > <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>>>> >> > wrote:____ >> > > > >> > > > __ __ >> > > > >> > > > This recently happened to an >> > > individual >> > > > with a government issued >> phone >> > > from NASA >> > > > JPL, and there's a huge >> > stink because >> > > > the DHS didn't have >> > clearance to view >> > > > the classification of the >> > material on >> > > > this device.____ >> > > > >> > > > ____ >> > > > >> > > > On Feb 15, 2017 4:58 PM, >> > "Ken Hohhof" >> > > > <af...@kwisp.com >> > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com> >> > > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> >> > > > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com >> > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com> >> > > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>>> >> wrote:____ >> > > > >> > > > If you travel outside >> > the country, >> > > > and carry any electronic >> > devices >> > > > like phones and >> laptops, be >> > > prepared >> > > > for the possibility >> they may >> > > demand >> > > > that you unlock the >> > device and let >> > > > them rummage through >> your >> > > files and >> > > > social media posts. >> Even if >> > > you are >> > > > just an ordinary >> > citizen. If you >> > > > think they need a >> > warrant for >> > > this, >> > > > you would be mistaken. >> > They can >> > > > probably only detain >> > your for >> > > maybe >> > > > a day and confiscate >> your >> > > phone, but >> > > > you don’t have the same >> > rights as >> > > > you would if a cop >> > stopped you on >> > > > the street.____ >> > > > >> > > > ____ >> > > > >> > > > There are rumors the >> > retro Nokia >> > > > 3310 phone will be >> > revived. That >> > > > would probably be a >> good one >> > > to take >> > > > on foreign trips.____ >> > > > >> > > > ____ >> > > > >> > > > ____ >> > > > >> > > > *From:*Af >> > > > >> > [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> >> > > <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>>] >> *On >> > > > Behalf Of *Chuck McCown >> > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, >> February >> > > 15, 2017 >> > > > 4:40 PM >> > > > *To:* af@afmug.com >> > <mailto:af@afmug.com> >> > > <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>> >> > <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> <mailto:af@afmug.com >> > <mailto:af@afmug.com>>> >> > > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] >> > Obama Admin >> > > > Gave NSA Broad New >> Powers >> > > before he >> > > > left____ >> > > > >> > > > ____ >> > > > >> > > > Computer wore tennis >> > shoes.____ >> > > > >> > > > Janitor____ >> > > > >> > > > Mop bucket____ >> > > > >> > > > Been done before____ >> > > > >> > > > ____ >> > > > >> > > > *From:*That One Guy >> > /sarcasm ____ >> > > > >> > > > *Sent:*Wednesday, >> > February 15, >> > > 2017 >> > > > 3:34 PM____ >> > > > >> > > > *To:*af@afmug.com >> > <mailto:af@afmug.com> >> > > <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>> >> > > > <mailto:af@afmug.com >> > <mailto:af@afmug.com> >> > > <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>> ____ >> > > > >> > > > *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] >> > Obama Admin >> > > > Gave NSA Broad New >> Powers >> > > before he >> > > > left____ >> > > > >> > > > ____ >> > > > >> > > > This is interesting, >> > explains alot >> > > > of the leakage. so >> basically >> > > now the >> > > > janitors can take a >> > little gander >> > > > every now and then____ >> > > > >> > > > ____ >> > > > >> > > > On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at >> > 4:22 PM, >> > > > Steve >> > <li...@wavedirect.org <mailto:li...@wavedirect.org> >> > > <mailto:li...@wavedirect.org <mailto:li...@wavedirect.org>> >> > > > >> > <mailto:li...@wavedirect.org <mailto:li...@wavedirect.org> >> > > <mailto:li...@wavedirect.org <mailto:li...@wavedirect.org>>>> >> > > > wrote:____ >> > > > >> > > > The new rules >> > significantly >> > > > relax longstanding >> > limits on >> > > > what the N.S.A. may >> do >> > > with the >> > > > information >> gathered by >> > > its most >> > > > powerful >> surveillance >> > > > operations, which >> > are largely >> > > > unregulated by >> American >> > > > wiretapping laws. >> These >> > > include >> > > > collecting satellite >> > > > transmissions, phone >> > calls and >> > > > emails that cross >> > network >> > > > switches abroad, and >> > messages >> > > > between people >> > abroad that >> > > cross >> > > > domestic network >> > switches. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/02/15/surprise-at-the- >> end-obama-administration-gave-nsa-broad-new-powers/____ >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > ____ >> > > > >> > > > ____ >> > > > >> > > > -- ____ >> > > > >> > > > If you only see >> yourself as >> > > part of >> > > > the team but you don't >> see >> > > your team >> > > > as part of yourself you >> have >> > > already >> > > > failed as part of the >> > team.____ >> > > > >> > > > __ __ >> > > > >> > > > __ __ >> > > > >> > > > __ __ >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >
