I always though Lewis was a liberal with a bad spell checker On Feb 17, 2017 8:39 PM, "Robert" <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
> I think the points on oil you make are valid. Your point that I have no > clue, is a personal attack a) in that you have no idea who I am b) you have > no idea of what I know or how I might know what I profess to know. > > You may debate that there are two factions controlling this effort and > their motives but that isn't what you said. And that is what I am trying > to get you and others to understand. This situation is exactly about what > method to transport and the profits of those methods. Obama was backed by > railroaders and trump is aligned with pipers.. I don't think he is "backed" > but the partners he plays with are in the other camp. And the number of > railroad workers put out of work by this pipeline isn't being considered by > trump and after construction, it's similar to the other side. > > On 2/17/17 7:11 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote: > >> I don' think I made a personal attack. I said , in this case, you had no >> clue. I think, being that I am always right in my own mind, that >> statement is accurate. It isn't personal as I don't even know who you are. >> >> I obviously offended you and for that, I apologize. >> It is fun to play conspiracy theory all day. In this case, the >> conspiracy is really about buying votes and favor from voters and party >> factions with policy. Yes, that translates to political power which also >> translates to money. Lets be honest, doesn't about 85% of the crap each >> of us do all day have to do with money? Obama didn't want the pipeline >> because a faction of his party hated the idea. Mostly a symbolic fight >> as pipeline or no pipeline the oil still moves. Trump wants the pipeline >> because he made promises about jobs and again, it is a symbol, this time >> about how gov gets in the way of business. >> >> In the end, the oil still moves. If everyone who hates oil and coal >> would just stop using any good or service that benefits as a result of >> those fuels the problem would be solved. Oh yea, you can't because >> literally everything is impacted by one of those. Why, because to date, >> it has the highest energy output for the cost. Address that and the >> issue will take care of itself. >> >> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 8:27 AM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com >> <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote: >> >> Ok, Lewis, >> Shift to a personal attack. >> >> I am saying that there is a back story to a lot of this >> enviro whacko >> stuff. And the There is $$ that is funneled into that from those that >> have that in spades. As there is money that is funneled into the >> other >> side. That's the money that the Indians are getting. Yes Buffett >> benefits from railroad transport, he has Yuge investments in the >> railroads in the US and oil transport. AND, interestingly, he >> benefits >> when coal starts getting transported in larger amounts. Koch >> brothers >> still have huge investments in the pipeline infrastructure in the US. >> Go back 20 years ago and it was estimated that they had direct and >> indirect control of 80 percent of buried pipeline in the US. They >> have >> decreased investment into pipelines greatly. But are still in the >> game >> in a major way. >> >> https://cleantechnica.com/2015/02/10/transportation-game- >> keystone-xl-pipeline-koch-brothers-cant-let-go/ >> >> >> On 2/17/17 5:19 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote: >> > Oh I got it. You have no clue, at least in this case. If you look >> at the >> > reasoning behind its delay it was enviro whacko appeasement. Not >> saying >> > Buffet didn't benefit but that wasn't the reason. Koch brothers >> have as >> > little to do with it being built as Buffet did with its delay. The >> > current "build it NOW" isn't based on Koch contributions; its based >> on >> > low hanging fruit for Trump to pick saying he is a winner creating >> jobs. >> > >> > In the end, Pipelines are more efficient and safer than trains for >> > moving oil. For other things, trains are great. Trains are great >> UNTIL a >> > pipeline is built. Having dealt with the indian nations over the >> last >> > couple of decades with NEPA studies and the like they have no >> standing >> > in my mind. They really couldn't care about what harm you might or >> might >> > not do to some ancient ancestral grounds. They base their bribe >> request >> > on what they think they can get out of you. >> > I know...not politically correct. So what. >> > >> > Really, this kind of over simplification and demonizing crap is >> what got >> > us where we are today. >> > >> > On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 8:14 PM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com >> <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> >> > <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>>> >> wrote: >> > >> > Follow the money... Pipeline vs tank car is all about who is >> profiting >> > from moving the oil... Tank car is Buffett, Oil line is Koch >> > brothers... Got it? >> > >> > On 2/16/17 5:31 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote: >> > > Really? Pipeline? So you think carying all that oil via >> train is >> > safer >> > > and has less a footprint? >> > > >> > > I really don't give a crap, just don't get the arguement. >> > > >> > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2017, 5:50 PM Jaime Solorza >> > <losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >> <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> >> > > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com >> <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >> > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com >> <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>>> wrote: >> > > >> > > i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's >> ability to >> > > do anything worthwhile.... He does the glamour shots... >> Repeal >> > > restrictions on dumping coal related crap into streams and >> > forest in >> > > the name of creating jobs... Same with pipe line..... >> Short >> > > sighted.... Our mother has been raped and left to die in >> > disgrace.. >> > > Stock market will do what it does in long run with or >> without help >> > > of Afraid of his Shadow, Draft Dodging, Clown Trump... >> > > >> > > On Feb 16, 2017 4:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com >> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com> >> > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> >> > > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com> >> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>>> wrote: >> > > >> > > FWIW, my investment advisor just recommended moving >> out of >> > > individual stocks and into managed funds of mixed >> bonds and >> > > equities, as well as emphasizing Europe. Evidently >> their >> > > analysts believe we are into a bubble in US stock >> prices and >> > > that President Agent Orange is likely to mess >> something up but >> > > no way to predict what it will be and hedge against >> it.____ >> > > >> > > __ __ >> > > >> > > __ __ >> > > >> > > *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com >> <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> >> > <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> >> > > <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com >> <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> >> > <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>>>] >> *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown >> > > *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:59 PM >> > > *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >> <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>> >> > <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >> <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>> >> > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama >> > admin...____ >> > > >> > > __ __ >> > > >> > > We will survive him. I really like what the stock >> market is >> > > doing. UAW pushing buy American again. Liberal heads >> > > exploding. All good stuff. ____ >> > > >> > > ____ >> > > >> > > I still don’t like him, probably never will. But I >> do enjoy >> > > seeing him giving the media crap. I like that he is >> > > unpredictable. Bull in china shop, monkey with >> machine gun >> > > maybe it will churn the swamp enough to actually >> change >> > things. >> > > ____ >> > > >> > > ____ >> > > >> > > Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he >> read some >> > > document, he missed the classic Nancy Pelosi “we >> have to pass >> > > the bill so you can find out what’s in it >> comment”... Would >> > > have been a good rejoinder. ____ >> > > >> > > ____ >> > > >> > > Just so he does not start another shooting war...____ >> > > >> > > ____ >> > > >> > > *From:*Adam Moffett ____ >> > > >> > > *Sent:*Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:51 PM____ >> > > >> > > *To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >> <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>> >> > <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >> <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>> ____ >> > > >> > > *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New >> Powers >> > > before he left____ >> > > >> > > ____ >> > > >> > > For all of our sakes I hope he is really going to be >> good >> > at his >> > > new job and that the press really is being unfair to >> him.____ >> > > >> > > I listened to some of the press conference on NPR >> today during >> > > lunch. He definitely was combative with the press. >> ____ >> > > >> > > ____ >> > > >> > > I think it's pretty clear to anyone that he won only >> just >> > > barely. The numbers speak for themselves. But like >> the >> > > inauguration crowd thing, he just can't accept it >> for some >> > > reason. On this particular point at least he needs to >> > grow up.____ >> > > >> > > ____ >> > > >> > > ____ >> > > >> > > ------ Original Message ------____ >> > > >> > > From: "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com >> <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >> > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com >> <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> >> > > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com >> <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >> > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com >> <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>>>____ >> > > >> > > To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com >> <mailto:af@afmug.com> <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>> >> > <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >> <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>>>____ >> > > >> > > Sent: 2/16/2017 5:34:59 PM____ >> > > >> > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New >> Powers >> > > before he left____ >> > > >> > > ____ >> > > >> > > Now my sides are aching.... Fine tuned >> machine.... ____ >> > > >> > > ____ >> > > >> > > >> > >> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.was >> hingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpost-politics%2Fwp%2F2017 >> %2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-says-he-inherited-a-mess-blasts-media- >> and-detractors-for-treatment-of-his-administration%2F#pt0-543071____ >> > > >> > > ____ >> > > >> > > On Feb 16, 2017 3:31 PM, "Chuck McCown" >> > <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> >> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> >> > > <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> >> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>>> >> > wrote:____ >> > > >> > > I will always wonder about agent orange. >> When I was a >> > > kid, my dad sold farm chemicals to >> supplement the >> > meager >> > > living the dry land wheat farm/ranch was >> > producing. We >> > > had barrels of 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T around and >> I remember >> > > getting coated with the stuff by an aerial >> applicator >> > > once. The barrels were actually orange and >> had >> > the Olin >> > > logos on them. This was early 1960s. None >> of us ever >> > > suffered the symptoms commonly associated >> with agent >> > > orange. Odd... ____ >> > > >> > > ____ >> > > >> > > *From:*Bill Prince ____ >> > > >> > > *Sent:*Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:26 PM____ >> > > >> > > *To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >> <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>> >> > <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >> <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>> ____ >> > > >> > > *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA >> Broad New >> > > Powers before he left____ >> > > >> > > ____ >> > > >> > > Any relationship between reality and Agent >> Orange is >> > > purely coincidental.____ >> > > >> > > ____ >> > > >> > > bp____ >> > > >> > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>____ >> > > >> > > __ __ >> > > >> > > On 2/16/2017 2:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:____ >> > > >> > > Strange. I think he purchased a reality >> > distortion >> > > field generator from Steve Jobs but does >> not >> > > understand that it only works in >> Cupertino. ____ >> > > >> > > ____ >> > > >> > > *From:*Jaime Solorza ____ >> > > >> > > *Sent:*Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:50 >> PM____ >> > > >> > > *To:*Animal Farm ____ >> > > >> > > *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA >> > Broad New >> > > Powers before he left____ >> > > >> > > ____ >> > > >> > > Laughing my ass off ____ >> > > >> > > >> > >> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Famp.usat >> oday.com%2Fstory%2F98002648%2F#pt0-986112____ >> > > >> > > ____ >> > > >> > > ____ >> > > >> > > ____ >> > > >> > > On Feb 16, 2017 2:00 PM, "Bill Prince" >> > > <part15...@gmail.com >> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com> >> > <mailto:part15...@gmail.com <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> >> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com <mailto:part15...@gmail.com> >> > <mailto:part15...@gmail.com <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>>>> >> > > wrote:____ >> > > >> > > You made me look it up Josh. Not >> having had to >> > > cross the border in a while, I was >> in the >> > dark. >> > > Then, as it happens, I listened to >> this >> > podcast:____ >> > > >> > > >> > http://www.wnyc.org/story/what-we-know-about-border/____ >> > > >> > > ____ >> > > >> > > bp____ >> > > >> > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>____ >> > > >> > > __ __ >> > > >> > > On 2/15/2017 3:36 PM, Josh Reynolds >> wrote:____ >> > > >> > > You are not protected by the >> Constitution >> > > when at the border. DHS has legal >> > rights to >> > > detain you indefinitely until they >> > feel like >> > > you are not a threat. ____ >> > > >> > > ____ >> > > >> > > Good luck with that.____ >> > > >> > > ____ >> > > >> > > On Feb 15, 2017 5:21 PM, "Bill >> Prince" >> > > <part15...@gmail.com >> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com> >> > <mailto:part15...@gmail.com <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> >> > > <mailto:part15...@gmail.com >> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com> >> > <mailto:part15...@gmail.com <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>>>> >> wrote:____ >> > > >> > > If someone asks me to unlock >> my >> > phone, I >> > > would ask them to show me >> their >> > warrant.____ >> > > >> > > __ __ >> > > >> > > On Wednesday, February 15, >> 2017 >> > 3:01 PM, >> > > Josh Reynolds >> > <j...@kyneticwifi.com <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com> >> <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> >> > > <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com >> <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com> >> > <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>>>> >> wrote:____ >> > > >> > > __ __ >> > > >> > > This recently happened to an >> > individual >> > > with a government issued phone >> > from NASA >> > > JPL, and there's a huge >> stink because >> > > the DHS didn't have >> clearance to view >> > > the classification of the >> material on >> > > this device.____ >> > > >> > > ____ >> > > >> > > On Feb 15, 2017 4:58 PM, >> "Ken Hohhof" >> > > <af...@kwisp.com >> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com> >> > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> >> > > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com >> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com> >> > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>>> wrote:____ >> > > >> > > If you travel outside >> the country, >> > > and carry any electronic >> devices >> > > like phones and laptops, >> be >> > prepared >> > > for the possibility they >> may >> > demand >> > > that you unlock the >> device and let >> > > them rummage through your >> > files and >> > > social media posts. Even >> if >> > you are >> > > just an ordinary >> citizen. If you >> > > think they need a >> warrant for >> > this, >> > > you would be mistaken. >> They can >> > > probably only detain >> your for >> > maybe >> > > a day and confiscate your >> > phone, but >> > > you don’t have the same >> rights as >> > > you would if a cop >> stopped you on >> > > the street.____ >> > > >> > > ____ >> > > >> > > There are rumors the >> retro Nokia >> > > 3310 phone will be >> revived. That >> > > would probably be a good >> one >> > to take >> > > on foreign trips.____ >> > > >> > > ____ >> > > >> > > ____ >> > > >> > > *From:*Af >> > > >> [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> >> > <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>>] >> *On >> > > Behalf Of *Chuck McCown >> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, >> February >> > 15, 2017 >> > > 4:40 PM >> > > *To:* af@afmug.com >> <mailto:af@afmug.com> >> > <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>> >> <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> <mailto:af@afmug.com >> <mailto:af@afmug.com>>> >> > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] >> Obama Admin >> > > Gave NSA Broad New Powers >> > before he >> > > left____ >> > > >> > > ____ >> > > >> > > Computer wore tennis >> shoes.____ >> > > >> > > Janitor____ >> > > >> > > Mop bucket____ >> > > >> > > Been done before____ >> > > >> > > ____ >> > > >> > > *From:*That One Guy >> /sarcasm ____ >> > > >> > > *Sent:*Wednesday, >> February 15, >> > 2017 >> > > 3:34 PM____ >> > > >> > > *To:*af@afmug.com >> <mailto:af@afmug.com> >> > <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>> >> > > <mailto:af@afmug.com >> <mailto:af@afmug.com> >> > <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>> ____ >> > > >> > > *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] >> Obama Admin >> > > Gave NSA Broad New Powers >> > before he >> > > left____ >> > > >> > > ____ >> > > >> > > This is interesting, >> explains alot >> > > of the leakage. so >> basically >> > now the >> > > janitors can take a >> little gander >> > > every now and then____ >> > > >> > > ____ >> > > >> > > On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at >> 4:22 PM, >> > > Steve >> <li...@wavedirect.org <mailto:li...@wavedirect.org> >> > <mailto:li...@wavedirect.org <mailto:li...@wavedirect.org>> >> > > >> <mailto:li...@wavedirect.org <mailto:li...@wavedirect.org> >> > <mailto:li...@wavedirect.org <mailto:li...@wavedirect.org>>>> >> > > wrote:____ >> > > >> > > The new rules >> significantly >> > > relax longstanding >> limits on >> > > what the N.S.A. may do >> > with the >> > > information gathered >> by >> > its most >> > > powerful surveillance >> > > operations, which >> are largely >> > > unregulated by >> American >> > > wiretapping laws. >> These >> > include >> > > collecting satellite >> > > transmissions, phone >> calls and >> > > emails that cross >> network >> > > switches abroad, and >> messages >> > > between people >> abroad that >> > cross >> > > domestic network >> switches. >> > > >> > > >> > >> https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/02/15/surprise-at-the-end- >> obama-administration-gave-nsa-broad-new-powers/____ >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ____ >> > > >> > > ____ >> > > >> > > -- ____ >> > > >> > > If you only see yourself >> as >> > part of >> > > the team but you don't see >> > your team >> > > as part of yourself you >> have >> > already >> > > failed as part of the >> team.____ >> > > >> > > __ __ >> > > >> > > __ __ >> > > >> > > __ __ >> > > >> > > >> > >> >>
