Sorry again. I don't think there will be any rail jobs lost. I know some people in the rail business and there is a pretty large backlog. Not that they are happy about taking freight of their books but I seriously doubt they will lau people off. The biggest reason is that their cost to lay their people of is quite large.
On Fri, Feb 17, 2017, 8:39 PM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote: > I think the points on oil you make are valid. Your point that I have > no clue, is a personal attack a) in that you have no idea who I am b) > you have no idea of what I know or how I might know what I profess to > know. > > You may debate that there are two factions controlling this effort and > their motives but that isn't what you said. And that is what I am > trying to get you and others to understand. This situation is exactly > about what method to transport and the profits of those methods. Obama > was backed by railroaders and trump is aligned with pipers.. I don't > think he is "backed" but the partners he plays with are in the other > camp. And the number of railroad workers put out of work by this > pipeline isn't being considered by trump and after construction, it's > similar to the other side. > > On 2/17/17 7:11 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote: > > I don' think I made a personal attack. I said , in this case, you had no > > clue. I think, being that I am always right in my own mind, that > > statement is accurate. It isn't personal as I don't even know who you > are. > > > > I obviously offended you and for that, I apologize. > > It is fun to play conspiracy theory all day. In this case, the > > conspiracy is really about buying votes and favor from voters and party > > factions with policy. Yes, that translates to political power which also > > translates to money. Lets be honest, doesn't about 85% of the crap each > > of us do all day have to do with money? Obama didn't want the pipeline > > because a faction of his party hated the idea. Mostly a symbolic fight > > as pipeline or no pipeline the oil still moves. Trump wants the pipeline > > because he made promises about jobs and again, it is a symbol, this time > > about how gov gets in the way of business. > > > > In the end, the oil still moves. If everyone who hates oil and coal > > would just stop using any good or service that benefits as a result of > > those fuels the problem would be solved. Oh yea, you can't because > > literally everything is impacted by one of those. Why, because to date, > > it has the highest energy output for the cost. Address that and the > > issue will take care of itself. > > > > On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 8:27 AM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com > > <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote: > > > > Ok, Lewis, > > Shift to a personal attack. > > > > I am saying that there is a back story to a lot of this > > enviro whacko > > stuff. And the There is $$ that is funneled into that from those > that > > have that in spades. As there is money that is funneled into the > other > > side. That's the money that the Indians are getting. Yes Buffett > > benefits from railroad transport, he has Yuge investments in the > > railroads in the US and oil transport. AND, interestingly, he > benefits > > when coal starts getting transported in larger amounts. Koch > brothers > > still have huge investments in the pipeline infrastructure in the US. > > Go back 20 years ago and it was estimated that they had direct and > > indirect control of 80 percent of buried pipeline in the US. They > have > > decreased investment into pipelines greatly. But are still in the > game > > in a major way. > > > > > https://cleantechnica.com/2015/02/10/transportation-game-keystone-xl-pipeline-koch-brothers-cant-let-go/ > > > > > > On 2/17/17 5:19 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote: > > > Oh I got it. You have no clue, at least in this case. If you look > > at the > > > reasoning behind its delay it was enviro whacko appeasement. Not > > saying > > > Buffet didn't benefit but that wasn't the reason. Koch brothers > > have as > > > little to do with it being built as Buffet did with its delay. The > > > current "build it NOW" isn't based on Koch contributions; its > based on > > > low hanging fruit for Trump to pick saying he is a winner creating > > jobs. > > > > > > In the end, Pipelines are more efficient and safer than trains for > > > moving oil. For other things, trains are great. Trains are great > > UNTIL a > > > pipeline is built. Having dealt with the indian nations over the > last > > > couple of decades with NEPA studies and the like they have no > standing > > > in my mind. They really couldn't care about what harm you might or > > might > > > not do to some ancient ancestral grounds. They base their bribe > > request > > > on what they think they can get out of you. > > > I know...not politically correct. So what. > > > > > > Really, this kind of over simplification and demonizing crap is > > what got > > > us where we are today. > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 8:14 PM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com > > <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> > > > <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>>> > > wrote: > > > > > > Follow the money... Pipeline vs tank car is all about who is > > profiting > > > from moving the oil... Tank car is Buffett, Oil line is Koch > > > brothers... Got it? > > > > > > On 2/16/17 5:31 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote: > > > > Really? Pipeline? So you think carying all that oil via > > train is > > > safer > > > > and has less a footprint? > > > > > > > > I really don't give a crap, just don't get the arguement. > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2017, 5:50 PM Jaime Solorza > > > <losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com > >> > > > > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com > > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > > > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com > > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > > i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's > > ability to > > > > do anything worthwhile.... He does the glamour shots... > > Repeal > > > > restrictions on dumping coal related crap into streams > and > > > forest in > > > > the name of creating jobs... Same with pipe line..... > Short > > > > sighted.... Our mother has been raped and left to die in > > > disgrace.. > > > > Stock market will do what it does in long run with or > > without help > > > > of Afraid of his Shadow, Draft Dodging, Clown Trump... > > > > > > > > On Feb 16, 2017 4:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com > > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > > > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> > > > > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > > FWIW, my investment advisor just recommended moving > > out of > > > > individual stocks and into managed funds of mixed > > bonds and > > > > equities, as well as emphasizing Europe. Evidently > > their > > > > analysts believe we are into a bubble in US stock > > prices and > > > > that President Agent Orange is likely to mess > > something up but > > > > no way to predict what it will be and hedge against > > it.____ > > > > > > > > __ __ > > > > > > > > __ __ > > > > > > > > *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com > > <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> > > > <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> > > > > <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com > > <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> > > > <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>>>] > > *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown > > > > *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:59 PM > > > > *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > > <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>> > > > <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > > <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>> > > > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama > > > admin...____ > > > > > > > > __ __ > > > > > > > > We will survive him. I really like what the stock > > market is > > > > doing. UAW pushing buy American again. Liberal > heads > > > > exploding. All good stuff. ____ > > > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > > > I still don’t like him, probably never will. But I > > do enjoy > > > > seeing him giving the media crap. I like that he is > > > > unpredictable. Bull in china shop, monkey with > > machine gun > > > > maybe it will churn the swamp enough to actually > change > > > things. > > > > ____ > > > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > > > Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he > > read some > > > > document, he missed the classic Nancy Pelosi “we > > have to pass > > > > the bill so you can find out what’s in it > > comment”... Would > > > > have been a good rejoinder. ____ > > > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > > > Just so he does not start another shooting war...____ > > > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > > > *From:*Adam Moffett ____ > > > > > > > > *Sent:*Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:51 PM____ > > > > > > > > *To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > > <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>> > > > <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > > <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>> ____ > > > > > > > > *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New > > Powers > > > > before he left____ > > > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > > > For all of our sakes I hope he is really going to be > > good > > > at his > > > > new job and that the press really is being unfair to > > him.____ > > > > > > > > I listened to some of the press conference on NPR > > today during > > > > lunch. He definitely was combative with the press. > > ____ > > > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > > > I think it's pretty clear to anyone that he won only > > just > > > > barely. The numbers speak for themselves. But like > the > > > > inauguration crowd thing, he just can't accept it > > for some > > > > reason. On this particular point at least he needs > to > > > grow up.____ > > > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > > > ------ Original Message ------____ > > > > > > > > From: "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com > > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > > > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com > > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> > > > > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com > > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > > > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com > > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>>>____ > > > > > > > > To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com > > <mailto:af@afmug.com> <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>> > > > <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > > <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>>>____ > > > > > > > > Sent: 2/16/2017 5:34:59 PM____ > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New > > Powers > > > > before he left____ > > > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > > > Now my sides are aching.... Fine tuned > > machine.... ____ > > > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpost-politics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-says-he-inherited-a-mess-blasts-media-and-detractors-for-treatment-of-his-administration%2F#pt0-543071____ > > > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > > > On Feb 16, 2017 3:31 PM, "Chuck McCown" > > > <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > > <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> > > > > <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > > <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>>> > > > wrote:____ > > > > > > > > I will always wonder about agent orange. > > When I was a > > > > kid, my dad sold farm chemicals to > > supplement the > > > meager > > > > living the dry land wheat farm/ranch was > > > producing. We > > > > had barrels of 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T around and > > I remember > > > > getting coated with the stuff by an aerial > > applicator > > > > once. The barrels were actually orange and > had > > > the Olin > > > > logos on them. This was early 1960s. None > > of us ever > > > > suffered the symptoms commonly associated > > with agent > > > > orange. Odd... ____ > > > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > > > *From:*Bill Prince ____ > > > > > > > > *Sent:*Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:26 > PM____ > > > > > > > > *To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > > <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>> > > > <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > > <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>> ____ > > > > > > > > *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA > > Broad New > > > > Powers before he left____ > > > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > > > Any relationship between reality and Agent > > Orange is > > > > purely coincidental.____ > > > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > > > bp____ > > > > > > > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>____ > > > > > > > > __ __ > > > > > > > > On 2/16/2017 2:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:____ > > > > > > > > Strange. I think he purchased a reality > > > distortion > > > > field generator from Steve Jobs but does > not > > > > understand that it only works in > > Cupertino. ____ > > > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > > > *From:*Jaime Solorza ____ > > > > > > > > *Sent:*Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:50 > > PM____ > > > > > > > > *To:*Animal Farm ____ > > > > > > > > *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave > NSA > > > Broad New > > > > Powers before he left____ > > > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > > > Laughing my ass off ____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Famp.usatoday.com%2Fstory%2F98002648%2F#pt0-986112____ > > > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > > > On Feb 16, 2017 2:00 PM, "Bill Prince" > > > > <part15...@gmail.com > > <mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > > > <mailto:part15...@gmail.com <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> > > <mailto:part15...@gmail.com <mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > > > <mailto:part15...@gmail.com <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>>>> > > > > wrote:____ > > > > > > > > You made me look it up Josh. Not > > having had to > > > > cross the border in a while, I was > > in the > > > dark. > > > > Then, as it happens, I listened to > this > > > podcast:____ > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.wnyc.org/story/what-we-know-about-border/____ > > > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > > > bp____ > > > > > > > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>____ > > > > > > > > __ __ > > > > > > > > On 2/15/2017 3:36 PM, Josh Reynolds > > wrote:____ > > > > > > > > You are not protected by the > > Constitution > > > > when at the border. DHS has legal > > > rights to > > > > detain you indefinitely until > they > > > feel like > > > > you are not a threat. ____ > > > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > > > Good luck with that.____ > > > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > > > On Feb 15, 2017 5:21 PM, "Bill > > Prince" > > > > <part15...@gmail.com > > <mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > > > <mailto:part15...@gmail.com <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> > > > > <mailto:part15...@gmail.com > > <mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > > > <mailto:part15...@gmail.com <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>>>> > > wrote:____ > > > > > > > > If someone asks me to unlock > my > > > phone, I > > > > would ask them to show me > their > > > warrant.____ > > > > > > > > __ __ > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, February 15, > 2017 > > > 3:01 PM, > > > > Josh Reynolds > > > <j...@kyneticwifi.com <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com> > > <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> > > > > <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com > > <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com> > > > <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>>>> > > wrote:____ > > > > > > > > __ __ > > > > > > > > This recently happened to an > > > individual > > > > with a government issued > phone > > > from NASA > > > > JPL, and there's a huge > > stink because > > > > the DHS didn't have > > clearance to view > > > > the classification of the > > material on > > > > this device.____ > > > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > > > On Feb 15, 2017 4:58 PM, > > "Ken Hohhof" > > > > <af...@kwisp.com > > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > > > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> > > > > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com > > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > > > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>>> wrote:____ > > > > > > > > If you travel outside > > the country, > > > > and carry any electronic > > devices > > > > like phones and laptops, > be > > > prepared > > > > for the possibility they > may > > > demand > > > > that you unlock the > > device and let > > > > them rummage through your > > > files and > > > > social media posts. > Even if > > > you are > > > > just an ordinary > > citizen. If you > > > > think they need a > > warrant for > > > this, > > > > you would be mistaken. > > They can > > > > probably only detain > > your for > > > maybe > > > > a day and confiscate your > > > phone, but > > > > you don’t have the same > > rights as > > > > you would if a cop > > stopped you on > > > > the street.____ > > > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > > > There are rumors the > > retro Nokia > > > > 3310 phone will be > > revived. That > > > > would probably be a good > one > > > to take > > > > on foreign trips.____ > > > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > > > *From:*Af > > > > > > [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> > > > <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>>] > *On > > > > Behalf Of *Chuck McCown > > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, > February > > > 15, 2017 > > > > 4:40 PM > > > > *To:* af@afmug.com > > <mailto:af@afmug.com> > > > <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>> > > <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> <mailto:af@afmug.com > > <mailto:af@afmug.com>>> > > > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] > > Obama Admin > > > > Gave NSA Broad New Powers > > > before he > > > > left____ > > > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > > > Computer wore tennis > > shoes.____ > > > > > > > > Janitor____ > > > > > > > > Mop bucket____ > > > > > > > > Been done before____ > > > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > > > *From:*That One Guy > > /sarcasm ____ > > > > > > > > *Sent:*Wednesday, > > February 15, > > > 2017 > > > > 3:34 PM____ > > > > > > > > *To:*af@afmug.com > > <mailto:af@afmug.com> > > > <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>> > > > > <mailto:af@afmug.com > > <mailto:af@afmug.com> > > > <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>> ____ > > > > > > > > *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] > > Obama Admin > > > > Gave NSA Broad New Powers > > > before he > > > > left____ > > > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > > > This is interesting, > > explains alot > > > > of the leakage. so > basically > > > now the > > > > janitors can take a > > little gander > > > > every now and then____ > > > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at > > 4:22 PM, > > > > Steve > > <li...@wavedirect.org <mailto:li...@wavedirect.org> > > > <mailto:li...@wavedirect.org <mailto:li...@wavedirect.org>> > > > > > > <mailto:li...@wavedirect.org <mailto:li...@wavedirect.org> > > > <mailto:li...@wavedirect.org <mailto:li...@wavedirect.org>>>> > > > > wrote:____ > > > > > > > > The new rules > > significantly > > > > relax longstanding > > limits on > > > > what the N.S.A. may > do > > > with the > > > > information gathered > by > > > its most > > > > powerful surveillance > > > > operations, which > > are largely > > > > unregulated by > American > > > > wiretapping laws. > These > > > include > > > > collecting satellite > > > > transmissions, phone > > calls and > > > > emails that cross > > network > > > > switches abroad, and > > messages > > > > between people > > abroad that > > > cross > > > > domestic network > > switches. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/02/15/surprise-at-the-end-obama-administration-gave-nsa-broad-new-powers/____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > > > -- ____ > > > > > > > > If you only see yourself > as > > > part of > > > > the team but you don't > see > > > your team > > > > as part of yourself you > have > > > already > > > > failed as part of the > > team.____ > > > > > > > > __ __ > > > > > > > > __ __ > > > > > > > > __ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
