I hate moving... I had a sticker on my truck... "Yes, this
is my truck. NO, I am not going to help you move!! ".
Someone tore it off.. My daughter bought new house last
summer.... I helped move stuff and connected all her
electronic devices.... Even marking boxes ,things disappear
for a few weeks...
On Feb 18, 2017 12:30 PM, "Lewis Bergman"
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
Good,. Sold my house. In the middle of moving. Big
bummer.
On Sat, Feb 18, 2017, 7:34 AM Jaime Solorza
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Good morning Lewis, the coffee is ready, I added
some cinnamon to it, Bacon on stove.... Making
breakfast for wife... She works today, I have to
stay home with contractors when they arrive at 9
....how's your morning?
On Feb 18, 2017 6:04 AM, "Lewis Bergman"
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Sorry again.
I don't think there will be any rail jobs lost.
I know some people in the rail business and
there is a pretty large backlog. Not that they
are happy about taking freight of their books
but I seriously doubt they will lau people
off. The biggest reason is that their cost to
lay their people of is quite large.
On Fri, Feb 17, 2017, 8:39 PM Robert
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I think the points on oil you make are
valid. Your point that I have
no clue, is a personal attack a) in that
you have no idea who I am b)
you have no idea of what I know or how I
might know what I profess to
know.
You may debate that there are two factions
controlling this effort and
their motives but that isn't what you said.
And that is what I am
trying to get you and others to understand.
This situation is exactly
about what method to transport and the
profits of those methods. Obama
was backed by railroaders and trump is
aligned with pipers.. I don't
think he is "backed" but the partners he
plays with are in the other
camp. And the number of railroad workers
put out of work by this
pipeline isn't being considered by trump
and after construction, it's
similar to the other side.
On 2/17/17 7:11 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
> I don' think I made a personal attack. I
said , in this case, you had no
> clue. I think, being that I am always
right in my own mind, that
> statement is accurate. It isn't personal
as I don't even know who you are.
>
> I obviously offended you and for that, I
apologize.
> It is fun to play conspiracy theory all
day. In this case, the
> conspiracy is really about buying votes
and favor from voters and party
> factions with policy. Yes, that
translates to political power which also
> translates to money. Lets be honest,
doesn't about 85% of the crap each
> of us do all day have to do with money?
Obama didn't want the pipeline
> because a faction of his party hated the
idea. Mostly a symbolic fight
> as pipeline or no pipeline the oil still
moves. Trump wants the pipeline
> because he made promises about jobs and
again, it is a symbol, this time
> about how gov gets in the way of business.
>
> In the end, the oil still moves. If
everyone who hates oil and coal
> would just stop using any good or service
that benefits as a result of
> those fuels the problem would be solved.
Oh yea, you can't because
> literally everything is impacted by one
of those. Why, because to date,
> it has the highest energy output for the
cost. Address that and the
> issue will take care of itself.
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 8:27 AM Robert
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
>
> Ok, Lewis,
> Shift to a personal attack.
>
> I am saying that there is a
back story to a lot of this
> enviro whacko
> stuff. And the There is $$ that is
funneled into that from those that
> have that in spades. As there is
money that is funneled into the other
> side. That's the money that the
Indians are getting. Yes Buffett
> benefits from railroad transport, he
has Yuge investments in the
> railroads in the US and oil
transport. AND, interestingly, he benefits
> when coal starts getting transported
in larger amounts. Koch brothers
> still have huge investments in the
pipeline infrastructure in the US.
> Go back 20 years ago and it was
estimated that they had direct and
> indirect control of 80 percent of
buried pipeline in the US. They have
> decreased investment into pipelines
greatly. But are still in the game
> in a major way.
>
>
https://cleantechnica.com/2015/02/10/transportation-game-keystone-xl-pipeline-koch-brothers-cant-let-go/
<https://cleantechnica.com/2015/02/10/transportation-game-keystone-xl-pipeline-koch-brothers-cant-let-go/>
>
>
> On 2/17/17 5:19 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
> > Oh I got it. You have no clue, at
least in this case. If you look
> at the
> > reasoning behind its delay it was
enviro whacko appeasement. Not
> saying
> > Buffet didn't benefit but that
wasn't the reason. Koch brothers
> have as
> > little to do with it being built as
Buffet did with its delay. The
> > current "build it NOW" isn't based
on Koch contributions; its based on
> > low hanging fruit for Trump to pick
saying he is a winner creating
> jobs.
> >
> > In the end, Pipelines are more
efficient and safer than trains for
> > moving oil. For other things,
trains are great. Trains are great
> UNTIL a
> > pipeline is built. Having dealt
with the indian nations over the last
> > couple of decades with NEPA studies
and the like they have no standing
> > in my mind. They really couldn't
care about what harm you might or
> might
> > not do to some ancient ancestral
grounds. They base their bribe
> request
> > on what they think they can get out
of you.
> > I know...not politically correct.
So what.
> >
> > Really, this kind of over
simplification and demonizing crap is
> what got
> > us where we are today.
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 8:14 PM
Robert <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
> > <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>>>
> wrote:
> >
> > Follow the money... Pipeline vs
tank car is all about who is
> profiting
> > from moving the oil... Tank
car is Buffett, Oil line is Koch
> > brothers... Got it?
> >
> > On 2/16/17 5:31 PM, Lewis
Bergman wrote:
> > > Really? Pipeline? So you
think carying all that oil via
> train is
> > safer
> > > and has less a footprint?
> > >
> > > I really don't give a crap,
just don't get the arguement.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2017, 5:50 PM
Jaime Solorza
> > <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>>
> > >
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
> > <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>>>> wrote:
> > >
> > > i have 100% confidence in
our system... Zero in Trump's
> ability to
> > > do anything worthwhile....
He does the glamour shots...
> Repeal
> > > restrictions on dumping coal
related crap into streams and
> > forest in
> > > the name of creating jobs...
Same with pipe line..... Short
> > > sighted.... Our mother has
been raped and left to die in
> > disgrace..
> > > Stock market will do what it
does in long run with or
> without help
> > > of Afraid of his Shadow,
Draft Dodging, Clown Trump...
> > >
> > > On Feb 16, 2017 4:16 PM,
"Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
> > <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>>
> > > <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>>>> wrote:
> > >
> > > FWIW, my investment
advisor just recommended moving
> out of
> > > individual stocks and into
managed funds of mixed
> bonds and
> > > equities, as well as
emphasizing Europe. Evidently
> their
> > > analysts believe we are
into a bubble in US stock
> prices and
> > > that President Agent
Orange is likely to mess
> something up but
> > > no way to predict what
it will be and hedge against
> it.____
> > >
> > > __ __
> > >
> > > __ __
> > >
> > > *From:*Af
[mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
> > <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>>
> > > <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
> > <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>>>]
> *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> > > *Sent:* Thursday,
February 16, 2017 4:59 PM
> > > *To:* [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>>
> > <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>>>
> > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT
Jaime's thread was Obama
> > admin...____
> > >
> > > __ __
> > >
> > > We will survive him. I
really like what the stock
> market is
> > > doing. UAW pushing buy
American again. Liberal heads
> > > exploding. All good stuff. ____
> > >
> > > ____
> > >
> > > I still don’t like him,
probably never will. But I
> do enjoy
> > > seeing him giving the
media crap. I like that he is
> > > unpredictable. Bull in china
shop, monkey with
> machine gun
> > > maybe it will churn the
swamp enough to actually change
> > things.
> > > ____
> > >
> > > ____
> > >
> > > Funny, someone needled
him about whether or not he
> read some
> > > document, he missed the classic
Nancy Pelosi “we
> have to pass
> > > the bill so you can find
out what’s in it
> comment”... Would
> > > have been a good
rejoinder. ____
> > >
> > > ____
> > >
> > > Just so he does not
start another shooting war...____
> > >
> > > ____
> > >
> > > *From:*Adam Moffett ____
> > >
> > > *Sent:*Thursday, February 16,
2017 3:51 PM____
> > >
> > > *To:*[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>>
> > <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>>> ____
> > >
> > > *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Obama
Admin Gave NSA Broad New
> Powers
> > > before he left____
> > >
> > > ____
> > >
> > > For all of our sakes I
hope he is really going to be
> good
> > at his
> > > new job and that the
press really is being unfair to
> him.____
> > >
> > > I listened to some of
the press conference on NPR
> today during
> > > lunch. He definitely was
combative with the press.
> ____
> > >
> > > ____
> > >
> > > I think it's pretty
clear to anyone that he won only
> just
> > > barely. The numbers
speak for themselves. But like the
> > > inauguration crowd thing, he
just can't accept it
> for some
> > > reason. On this
particular point at least he needs to
> > grow up.____
> > >
> > > ____
> > >
> > > ____
> > >
> > > ------ Original Message
------____
> > >
> > > From: "Jaime Solorza"
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
> > <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>>
> > >
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
> > <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>>>>____
> > >
> > > To: "Animal Farm"
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>>
> > <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>>>>____
> > >
> > > Sent: 2/16/2017 5:34:59
PM____
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG]
Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New
> Powers
> > > before he left____
> > >
> > > ____
> > >
> > > Now my sides are
aching.... Fine tuned
> machine.... ____
> > >
> > > ____
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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> > >
> > > ____
> > >
> > > On Feb 16, 2017 3:31
PM, "Chuck McCown"
> > <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>>
> > > <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>>>>
> > wrote:____
> > >
> > > I will always wonder about
agent orange.
> When I was a
> > > kid, my dad sold farm chemicals to
> supplement the
> > meager
> > > living the dry land wheat
farm/ranch was
> > producing. We
> > > had barrels of 2,4-D and
2,4,5-T around and
> I remember
> > > getting coated with the stuff
by an aerial
> applicator
> > > once. The barrels were
actually orange and had
> > the Olin
> > > logos on them. This was early
1960s. None<br
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