I've stayed out of the political stuff. Just.. no. I have better things
to do. That's not to say I think those conversations shouldn't take
place here. It's Chuck's list, so whatever he says. And Paul pays for it
as he said. I do think that it gets heated and a little nuts with all of
the posts here sometimes, but whatever.
I was thinking about unsubscribing at one point, like you know, around
that whole election day a few months back. But as Forrest pointed out,
there are too many people here with valuable experiences, opinions, etc.
and some that are not on other lists. I think this is a great place to
hang out if everyone is reasonable and respectful. Ken and Forrest
usually post in the most logical terms and I love that. Reading humor
from others also makes me feel like I'm taking a quick break from
reality. Rack/enclosure pr0n, etc.
Yeah, I've been around since Bullit and the Part-15.org days. We
definitely don't need to go back to Michael's iron-fisted way of
moderating. That's was just stupid. I understood at the time that he
wanted to keep the vendor-specific stuff on their respective lists.
Again, as Forrest said, we have evolved, and WISPA has that covered. I
think it is so freakin cool to see a converged WISPAmerica/Animal Farm
if only for the fact that those folks, new or old, who may only have
ever been to WISPA shows will get the AF experience.
In the words of Forrest Gump... that's all I have to say about that.
On 3/1/2017 3:02 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
I have a different perspective on this list....
I've been going to post something along this lines for a while, but
since it came up today, I guess it's as good of a time as any....
Back in the day none of us were quite sure what we were doing. The
need for a technical list was great. We needed to discuss how to use
this gear, what the new gear could do, etc.. Every day there was a
new challenge for many of us, which someone else on the list had
probably figured out.
Fast forward until now, For most of us, our networks have matured, or
been sold. Many of our core members aren't even really WISP's
anymore. For those who are still doing day to day operations, most
of us have figured out how things work for us, and we really don't
need discussions about network architecture and routing and the like.
Add to that the excellent resources that WISPA provides in the form
of conferences where people can learn the technical skills they need,
and technically-oriented mailing lists which they host, and this list
starts to look a bit redundant from a technical-resource standpoint.
What this list has, which none of the others do, is a community of
members which have grown up together and seen each other grow
businesses, sell them, get rich, get sued, release products, survive
tornadoes and other natural disasters, and all of the other things
which bring people together.
On all of the other lists, such off-topic discussions as what Travis
is investing in this week, and what Jaimie is cooking, and what movie
Chuck is watching, and the awesome ramblings of Steve and so on would
be squashed. Yet we're all friends and like to discuss things. Yes,
the politics have gotten a bit out of control, but that's just a
symptom that politics have gotten a bit out of control in this country.
Personally, I see this list not as a technical resource, but a social
resource. Somewhere where we all know each other and a lot of each
other's past history and drama. So we talk more about everyday life
and less about work? I don't see a problem with this. Where else is
this going to occur? I realize that this doesn't match the original
vision for this list, but needs change and lists change. What we
need is a place to hang out and have conversations with our friends.
Why can't this list be that resource?
-forrest
On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 12:25 PM, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net
<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
I shared this with Chuck McCown, and he suggested I share this
with the list directly, so here goes.
/Just FYI, in my normal business conversations with WISPs, I get
one or two people a week tell me they no longer look at the list
because of all the BS, politics, etc. I also don’t use AFMUG
nearly as much as I used to because of that. /
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/While it costs me $$ for every email sent (I have never
complained), AWS is very solid and reliable, so it was a great
choice. That’s not the point of my comment./
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/People need to take that junk to some other venue, so we can
focus on important technology and business needs, IMO. /
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/It probably won’t change but it’s my 2 cents./
Paul
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