Verizon paid $45k a few years ago to have a few guy wires replaced and a a
few legs reinforced to bring my tower back to 85%. They argued they should
only pay to get it back to 105%. After giving them the monthly for
completely capping my revenue they decided they liked the $45K.

On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 5:44 PM Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Yep. The ASR is like a free (well, at least no recurring expense)
> advertising service. I swear though, the FCC is full of a bunch of people
> without a clue.  You should do a NEPA and NHSA on every filing. Since I
> have to go through the big PITA I want the ASR to show I did one, even if
> the result is I don't need one. On the filing I just did for the 300 footer
> they refuse to give me a FONSI because it was determined clear. Basically,
> they won't give it to me because the technicality of the rule says they
> don't have to. I want them because some tenants want to know it was done.
> It takes the same amount of work to say yes, here is your FONSI as it does
> to explain to me why you don't have to give me one. The affect is the same
> because a FONSI says there is no impact an the rule she states as
> justification says there is no impact so don't check the box.
>
> Bummer.
> On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 10:09 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yeah it's amazing sometimes how quick someone finds you.  Even if you're
>> not in the ASR you may be in ULS.  If they see you have a licensed backhaul
>> or NN registration at x feet AGL then they know you have at least x feet of
>> tower up there.
>>
>> You just never know.
>>
>>
>> ------ Original Message ------
>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 6/2/2017 10:53:59 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WISP tower and construction cost
>>
>> Yes, they will do loading for you for free.  I made the mistake of
>> building a tower on a hard to get to mountain top that was at about 85%
>> from the get go.  It was not up for more than a few months and one of the
>> airline wifi companies wanted to put base station antennas on it and we
>> were at 105% immediately.  So make sure you think about how much loading
>> headroom you need.
>>
>> *From:* Lewis Bergman
>> *Sent:* Friday, June 2, 2017 8:47 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WISP tower and construction cost
>>
>> I assume you gave them antenna specs so they could give you an accurate
>> quote for a tower. They do a really great job. Sabre towers go together
>> better than most I think. I think I have one of those in my yard right now.
>> It is likely a bit heavier than that. If I remember I have a two carrier
>> 195 foot SS and a two carrier 150 foot monopole over there. I tend to buy
>> surplus towers from Sabre when someone backs out.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 8:47 AM Eric Muehleisen <ericm...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I posed the question with WISP equipment in mind. Not really interested
>>> in leasing space to cellco or anyone else for that matter. I was thinking
>>> fully loaded 5ghz & 3.65ghz clusters. Maybe one or two 2ft. microwave
>>> dishes. A fairly light load. The idea was to try and keep it under 200ft so
>>> we could save $ on not lighting the tower.
>>>
>>> FYI, I just received a quote on a 195ft Sabre self-supporting tower. It
>>> came in at $23k. A 100ft Sabre came in at $11k
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 8:21 AM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The biggest issue with the question is there is no loading requirement.
>>>> Height is one of the smaller factors in determining tower cost. Load is the
>>>> biggest factor. I can build a $400,000 200 foot tower I can build a house
>>>> on top of or a $18,500 200 foot tower I can put 3 SQFT on. I am sure
>>>> everyone realize that but talking about SS or guyed tower cost of a certain
>>>> height without talking load is pointless.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 8:16 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>> Who said monopole?  That's a dirty word.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------ Original Message ------
>>>>> From: "Dev" <d...@logicalwebhost.com>
>>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>> Sent: 6/1/2017 9:29:58 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WISP tower and construction cost
>>>>>
>>>>> >Not even close for a monopole, you’ll have more than that in the
>>>>> >foundation. I guess lattice freestanding would be cheaper? Maybe
>>>>> >different in the middle of a prairie. Of course a guyed Rohn 25 is a
>>>>> >really cheap alternative, but it depends on what you need. YMMV
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>>  A few years back during the broadband stimulus days, we priced a
>>>>> >>>couple
>>>>> >>>  tower builds. I'm polling the audience to see if these prices
>>>>> still
>>>>> >>>hold up.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>  - 150ft. Nello self supporter - $39k
>>>>>
>>>>>

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