We have the FOID in IL. You cannot buy or transport firearms or ammo without your card on you. Our CCL is a completely separate card, and yep, you gotta have both on you to carry. Our waiting periods are 1 day for long guns, 3 days for hand guns. Our 4473s/background checks are ran through both the IL State Police and NICS.

So no, it is not "easy" to buy guns legally for the law-abiding here.

None of this stops the gang bangers from getting guns. Nor the quiet nut jobs.

On 10/2/2017 6:05 PM, Jason Wilson wrote:
I need to clarify my last message. in California we have the pleasure of waiting 10 days before we can pick up the firearms that we purchased. in the state of Nevada there is no waiting period and they can be purchased over the counter

On Oct 2, 2017 3:26 PM, "Carl Peterson" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    How on earth does someone buy that many guns and that much ammo
    without setting off all sorts of sirens?  You would think ATF
    would have some sort of triggers set for when someone buys a bunch
    of guns and ammo.

    On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 6:06 PM, Jaime Solorza
    <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

        59 dead, 527 injured,. 18 more guns found at one home with
        thousands of rounds plus electronics of some kind.

        On Oct 2, 2017 1:30 PM, "George Skorup"
        <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
        wrote:

            s/clip/magazine

            Sorry Bill, had to.

            On 10/2/2017 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

            Based on what I heard (so far), it had to take many
            minutes; maybe 15 or 20 or so. From the sound, you could
            hear what sounded like automatic weapon fire going and
            going until the clip was empty (and it sounded like a big
            clip). Then there was a brief pause (people on the scene
            described it as "30 seconds"), then another round with
            another clip. There were at least 6 or 7 clips.

            There are probably eye witness errors in the above
            description, but if it's even close to correct, it is
            pretty scary.


            bp
            <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

            On 10/2/2017 10:08 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:

            How long did this event last?
            From the time he started shooting how long until police
            found him and he killed himself ?

            Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

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            From: "Rory Conaway" <[email protected]>
            <mailto:[email protected]>
            To: "[email protected]" <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]>
            <mailto:[email protected]>
            Subject: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
            Date: Mon, Oct 2, 2017 11:59 AM

            I think the best thing to do is wait to see if the
            authorities can find a motive. I’ve got family up there
            in Law Enforcement but haven’t heard from them yet.

            Rory

            *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of
            *Adam Moffett
            *Sent:* Monday, October 2, 2017 9:52 AM
            *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
            *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

            +1, let's please not get into a political fight.

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            From: "Lewis Bergman" <[email protected]
            <mailto:[email protected]>>

            To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>

            Sent: 10/2/2017 12:42:08 PM

            Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

                While I won't get into gun politics I will say there
                are a bunch of extremely fervent views on the
                subject. All dearly felt with logical reasons behind
                them. I am not sure the opposing sides think the
                opposition's reasons are valid. I think we can
                agree, without political discussions, that crazy is
                crazy. And while I hate to see this like everyone
                else, I don't think most freedom loving people would
                be willing to do what it takes to stop all
                potentially crazy people from doing such things.

                I would hope to head off any political debates on
                the list.

                On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:30 AM Jeremy
                <[email protected]
                <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                    I had never seen these bump stop devices.  It is
                    hard to believe that they are legal, and do not
                    require a machine gun license.  I expect that
                    will not last.

                    On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Jaime Solorza
                    <[email protected]
                    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                    Well crazy is crazy no matter what.  I don't
                    care what allegiance they claim..this was a
                    massacre committed by a fucked up person. 
                    People died for no good reason.  As much heat as
                    I will take for this, easy access to guns has
                    got to change.  Fuck the politics.

                    On Oct 2, 2017 10:10 AM, "Cameron Crum"
                    <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
                    wrote:

                    Well that is some relief.

                    On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Robert
                    <[email protected]
                    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                        FBI says no...

                        On 10/2/17 9:09 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:

                            ISIS is claiming he was a recent convert
                            and they are responsible, not verified
                            yet, but if true is pretty scary.

                            On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Lewis
                            Bergman <[email protected]
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                                I have never been asked any
                            questions coming in and out of Vegas
                                hotels. There are so many
                            conventions they are used to people who
                                don't like storing all their
                            expensive gear in the conference room
                                or whatever.

                                On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:49 AM
                            Steve Jones

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                                    10 rifles and 10k rounds isnt
                            alot of real estate for travel
                            luggage transport

                                    On Oct 2, 2017 10:35 AM, "Jaime
                            Solorza"

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                                    wrote:

                            Bet you surveillance footage is getting
                            analyzed.  I am
                            aware guns can be disassembled to fit in
                            suitcase or travel
                            bags...but 10 guns if report is
                            accurate...wow.
                                        On Oct 2, 2017 9:06 AM,
                            "Robert" <[email protected]
                            <mailto:[email protected]>

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                              Expect metal detectors going in
                            immediately...

                              On 10/2/17 7:56 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

                                  I won't be surprised if there were
                            baggage checks at
                                  the casino.

                                  Mike Hammett wrote:

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                            change your plans, but
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                                      I wonder if attendance to the
                            WISPA show will be
                                      down from this

                                      On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:39
                            AM, Jay Weekley
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                            A week later and some of us may have been
                                      at the concert.

                            Robert wrote:

                                     A best friend and his brother were
                            there and had bullets
                            wizzing by him and hitting the ground
                            around him and had
                            people falling around him.

                                     On 10/2/17 4:12 AM, Josh
                            Reynolds wrote:

                                         I have a co-worker who is
                            there on
                                      a vacation for his
                            birthday until Wednesday. Haven't
                            heard from him yet.

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                            I'm not really even sure what
                                      to say.  This keeps
                            getting worse and
                            worse as more details come in.

                            A different festival on a
                            different night and I could
                            have been
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