I should have caveated that, b11 is crummy. I havent seen much bad about the 5ghz stuff
On Feb 11, 2018 9:47 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > Mimosa 5 GHz works great for me. Don't use shit antennas. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Sunday, February 11, 2018 12:34:23 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz > > Seriously, these questions, please, please, please! State your rain > region. Here,. id like to punch anybody in the eye who lies to you and > tells you 24 GHZ is a good idea over 1.2 miles ( I dont care the KM Im > mercan) but some guy in a desert might tell you its an awesome idea at 6 > miles, I dont care about him here, he doesnt care about me there. If you > get into the higher frequencies yout rain zone, it really matters. > but when it works, it works, and in 24 GHZ right now, theres nothing on th > market that compares to AF, even if you skimp on the HD. Literally > nothing.... Ive looked. you can pay 10k with the other actual carrier > classes for 200mb... just not worth it, if 24 works to go anywhere else. > You have to remember, UBNT 24ghz (airfiber) is NOT a UBNT product, its a > Motorola product. Just before Motorola shit canned, UBNT bought \theirguys. > > 11ghz, totally different beast. you OWN the channel, and you can be a dick > about it. Like central Illinois wanting to put up a link. If your in > central Indiana, you can contest... This is fact, we just had to trade off > 10db to get a link because it was contested 100 miles away, because our max > EIRP could impact that link during its lowest rain fade hundreds of miles > away. Im not complaining, if I had their GIS and hired guns, I would have > done it too. > > however, I literally can come in across the street on your 24 ghz link, > put it on the same channel as you and just pump out on maximum power all > day. You know what you can do? you can go to Starbucks, get yourelf a nice > double frappe vanilla bean, half caf, choco humpagoat with double froth, > and take it to your shop, set it in the middle of your chair and sit on it > while humming Mary had a little lamb. Thats it, thats the end of your > recourse. > > And dont ever talk about Mimosa again. Its garbage. If I was going to put > another link up outside of what I can do again, I wouldnt touch Mimosa, not > if the Mimosa CEO sent their grandmother to service me and thirteen of my > friends. The only reason to put Mimosa up beyond 3 miles is to lawfully > squat some spectrum on the cheap. > > FWIW > > Harshish words, I know, but this is all stuff I learned the hard way, Im > only a decade into this nonsense, I wish some prick had shown up and > smacked me like a wife who didnt have the pot pies in the oven on time long > before I made some bad decisions, You have to treat all your gear like a > woman. Know where you are and what her scope is in that area. Dont go full > bukakee on a housewife. > > > > On Sat, Feb 10, 2018 at 11:13 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Our experience has been we get more throughput and more reliability from >> the AF11 than the B11. The B11s always seemed to be choking on high >> throughput. We gave up on them, and the AF11s are easier to license in >> congested areas anyway. >> >> >> bp >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >> >> >> On 2/10/2018 5:12 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: >> >> Yes, the AF11 can do more throughput on the same spectrum compared to the >> B11, but the B11 can use more spectrum (a lot more, granted), so it can do >> more throughput than the AF11 can. You can get close to a full gig in one >> direction with the B11 (assuming you can license enough spectrum), but you >> can only get around 650Mbps in one direction with the AF11 (it's a real >> full duplex radio though, so aggregate isn't that much different if you >> need a 50/50 split). >> >> On Sat, Feb 10, 2018 at 6:56 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> What others have said about distance. Short (up to 3 miles or so) 24 >>> GHz. Medium (up to 8-9 miles) 18 GHz. Long (up to 20 miles) 11 GHz. Longest >>> 6 GHz. >>> >>> I disagree with the B11 versus AF11. The AF11 will provide more >>> throughput on less spectrum. Probably less expensive too. >>> >>> >>> bp >>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>> >>> >>> On 2/10/2018 2:57 PM, David Coudron wrote: >>> >>> I know this topic has come up before, but thought I would throw it out >>> again to hear additional thoughts as products continue to evolve.�� We >>> have been doing primarily 5 GHz backhaul using Mimosa products for the last >>> couple of years.�� Their frequency reuse has really helped us, but we >>> are starting to see more locations that have lots of noise.�� We�d >>> like to make the jump to higher frequencies and are looking at 11 GHz and >>> 24 GHz for that.�� The links we need are fairly short, 6-10 miles max, >>> which pushes the limits of the 24 GHz solutions, but with a very clean line >>> of site we think we are in range for the links we are looking at as far as >>> the design tools tell us.�� For 11 GHz, we would likely stay with the >>> Mimosa product line, we know it pretty well and have all the management >>> tools in place for it.�� For 24 GHz we�d likely go with the Ubiquiti >>> AF 24 or AF 24 HD.�� We have worked with Ubiquiti stuff here and there, >>> and just don�t have much familiarity with any other options outside of >>> AirFiber.� Here is where we see the Pros and Cons of the two options: >>> >>> � >>> >>> Mimosa 11 GHz Pros: >>> >>> 1. Licensed, should be clean spectrum for the full term of the >>> license and require less babysitting for interference >>> 2. Should support longer links, but that isn�t a big consideration >>> for us as it looks like everything we will need is under the limits of >>> the >>> HD for sure and likely the AF 24 as well >>> 3. Little less susceptible to rain fade >>> >>> � >>> >>> Cons: >>> >>> 1. Have to mess around with the license and there is a cost >>> associated with it >>> 2. Have to buy the dish separately, and know which to use before >>> applying for the license >>> 3. Not quite as much throughput (when compared to the AF 24 HD) >>> 4. More expensive that the AF 24 (but likely a little less than the >>> HD) >>> >>> � >>> >>> � >>> >>> Ubiquiti AF 24 Pros: >>> >>> 1. All in one unit, easy to figure out what to have on hand for all >>> links >>> 2. No messing around with licenses, making it much quicker to deploy >>> 3. Higher throughput on the HD >>> >>> � >>> >>> Cons: >>> >>> 1. Unlicensed.� Might fight other noise out there, and even quiet >>> links now might have noise later >>> 2. Not as familiar with this tool set as we are with Mimosa, >>> although this isn�t a big consideration as we have worked with lots of >>> Ubiquiti products >>> 3. Cost of HD is pretty high for an unlicensed link >>> >>> � >>> >>> Here are some questions we are hoping for help with: >>> >>> 1. How much room in the unlicensed band is there to move channels if >>> you see other noise out there?�� We have been looking but are finding >>> it tough to figure out if we run wide channels, and see noise, will we be >>> able to move to other channels. >>> 2. Is it reasonable to think you can push 1.2 aggregate IP traffic >>> across any of the three options B11, AF24 or AF24HD?�� Seems like a >>> well planned link with great line of site at 6 miles should be able to, >>> but >>> looking for some real world experience. >>> 3. Any oddball items we should take into consideration other than >>> the ones already mentioned here? Or are we missing some obvious >>> questions? >>> >>> � >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> � >>> >>> David Coudron >>> >>> � >>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
