Mine, as I’ve said, is literally a JavaScript to Java translation of Arthur’s JavaScript "mind."
What’s tinybrain? How does it work? Sent from ProtonMail Mobile On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 1:43 PM, Stefan Reich via AGI <agi@agi.topicbox.com> wrote: >> My Java mind > > Hold on! What? *I* am making a Java mind. Where's your source? Mine is here: > http://tinybrain.de/1016060 > > Stefan > > MP via AGI <agi@agi.topicbox.com> schrieb am Di., 5. Juni 2018 19:03: > >> John, I definitely feel the same way about the massive obscurities. I even >> tried muddling through his diagrams and explanations to no avail. What I was >> able to do is port his ungodly bizarre code to java - literally copying and >> pasting with a few syntax tweaks - and got it running... somewhat. I still >> don’t even know where to begin to really "get" what’s going on. >> >> My Java "mind" can "say" a few things before crapping out on me. What bugs >> me the most is the EnBoot module. A ton of direct variable assignments are >> made, and I don’t get why certain values were chosen... >> >> It’s a nightmare that runs on internet explorer. But it’s something. >> >> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile >> >> On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 10:14 AM, <johnr...@polyplexic.com> wrote: >> >>> Arthur, >>> >>> Every time you start posting about your "AI Mind" app I briefly go and look >>> at the JS source, "View page source" from the web browser, and here are a >>> few thoughts (after working with thousands of source codes over the years, >>> and instead of me just saying "If there were an example of how not to write >>> an AI app this would be it"): >>> >>> 1. Ancient source code started when variable names were required to be >>> short due to memory constraints, programmer laziness, and/or unprofessional >>> selfishness. >>> >>> 2. App code has never been truly refined out of small memory constraints. >>> >>> 3. Code is intentionally obscure to hide non-understandings but provide a >>> sense of security to author and others by representing "something" >>> abstractly. >>> >>> 4. Obscure code to deceive readers - or - honestly and unintentionally >>> hiding the misunderstood complexity of subject by making a first-person >>> reasonable effort at understanding but unprovably failing. >>> >>> 5. Code probably cannot be clearly rewritten since there are obscured >>> forgotten memories of misunderstood concepts though somewhat indexed by >>> dates as comments. >>> >>> 6. All these things encrusted over time... layer after layer... often >>> hosted as a talking point, a reference point for similar related >>> limitations. >>> >>> 7. - OR - with very low probability, there is real genius hidden in said >>> code, loops and loops of abstract recursive representations, the most >>> advanced chat-bot ever created... but I have not the time or energy to >>> investigate further as I assume few have, perhaps another intention of said >>> app is to wear out the seeker of such truths? I cannot rule-out that this >>> app is actually towards some really great AI but unfortunately it looks >>> like the opposite and is childishly underpowered and frivolously incomplete. >>> >>> But there is some sort of novelty to this I suppose. >>> >>> If there were a museum of coding oddities this would definitely be top 10. >>> >>> IMO the code one writes is a reflection of oneself, a projection of sort. >>> "AI Mind" is more about you Arthur, your mind over time, and much is >>> revealed. >>> >>> So, you can imagine if an AGI were to attempt to kludgely hack out some >>> representation of a mind in similar circumstance what would it "hide", >>> limit, and represent at the same time? What would it look like? >>> >>> Note JavaScript and JavaScript AI is becoming increasingly advanced. For >>> example, see FAQ auto-creators, bot builders, etc. that use JS and >>> Typescript is a very powerful abstraction of JS that is surprisingly >>> becoming widely adopted... >>> >>> John > > Am 05.06.2018 19:03 schrieb "MP via AGI" <agi@agi.topicbox.com>: > >> John, I definitely feel the same way about the massive obscurities. I even >> tried muddling through his diagrams and explanations to no avail. What I was >> able to do is port his ungodly bizarre code to java - literally copying and >> pasting with a few syntax tweaks - and got it running... somewhat. I still >> don’t even know where to begin to really "get" what’s going on. >> >> My Java "mind" can "say" a few things before crapping out on me. What bugs >> me the most is the EnBoot module. A ton of direct variable assignments are >> made, and I don’t get why certain values were chosen... >> >> It’s a nightmare that runs on internet explorer. But it’s something. >> >> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile >> >> On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 10:14 AM, <johnr...@polyplexic.com> wrote: >> >>> Arthur, >>> >>> Every time you start posting about your "AI Mind" app I briefly go and look >>> at the JS source, "View page source" from the web browser, and here are a >>> few thoughts (after working with thousands of source codes over the years, >>> and instead of me just saying "If there were an example of how not to write >>> an AI app this would be it"): >>> >>> 1. Ancient source code started when variable names were required to be >>> short due to memory constraints, programmer laziness, and/or unprofessional >>> selfishness. >>> >>> 2. App code has never been truly refined out of small memory constraints. >>> >>> 3. Code is intentionally obscure to hide non-understandings but provide a >>> sense of security to author and others by representing "something" >>> abstractly. >>> >>> 4. Obscure code to deceive readers - or - honestly and unintentionally >>> hiding the misunderstood complexity of subject by making a first-person >>> reasonable effort at understanding but unprovably failing. >>> >>> 5. Code probably cannot be clearly rewritten since there are obscured >>> forgotten memories of misunderstood concepts though somewhat indexed by >>> dates as comments. >>> >>> 6. All these things encrusted over time... layer after layer... often >>> hosted as a talking point, a reference point for similar related >>> limitations. >>> >>> 7. - OR - with very low probability, there is real genius hidden in said >>> code, loops and loops of abstract recursive representations, the most >>> advanced chat-bot ever created... but I have not the time or energy to >>> investigate further as I assume few have, perhaps another intention of said >>> app is to wear out the seeker of such truths? I cannot rule-out that this >>> app is actually towards some really great AI but unfortunately it looks >>> like the opposite and is childishly underpowered and frivolously incomplete. >>> >>> But there is some sort of novelty to this I suppose. >>> >>> If there were a museum of coding oddities this would definitely be top 10. >>> >>> IMO the code one writes is a reflection of oneself, a projection of sort. >>> "AI Mind" is more about you Arthur, your mind over time, and much is >>> revealed. >>> >>> So, you can imagine if an AGI were to attempt to kludgely hack out some >>> representation of a mind in similar circumstance what would it "hide", >>> limit, and represent at the same time? What would it look like? >>> >>> Note JavaScript and JavaScript AI is becoming increasingly advanced. For >>> example, see FAQ auto-creators, bot builders, etc. that use JS and >>> Typescript is a very powerful abstraction of JS that is surprisingly >>> becoming widely adopted... >>> >>> John > > [Artificial General Intelligence List](https://agi.topicbox.com/latest) / AGI > / see [discussions](https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi) + > [participants](https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/members) + [delivery > options](https://agi.topicbox.com/groups) > [Permalink](https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T7d4ef049c1079ece-M5da19db27d7cbddcecd1c35f) ------------------------------------------ Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T7d4ef049c1079ece-M888beb058c5f0bc836c8c37f Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups
