John,
What you're saying is somewhat like:
"I find it amusing that he tries to define what is general in relation to
what is specific..."
""I find it amusing that he tries to define what is abstract in relation to
what is concrete..."
That's what we're supposedly trying - and have - to do here. To define what
is the form of general thought - how the brain manages to think about
"forms/shapes" and not just "squares" or "triangles" - how the brain manages
to see a "human" or a "man" and not just the highly specific form of "John
Rose", and even then to recognize "John Rose" when that individual may come
in radically different forms over time.
You cannot define the general except in relation to the specific, the
abstract except in relation to the concrete, the generic except in terms of
the individual, the fluid and irregular except in terms of the rigid and
regular.
What is amusing - comically absurd - is when people think they can survive
with just one and not the other - as AGI-ers do at the present - when people
think they can scale up the highly specific forms of narrow AI thinking to
be general intelligence - and fail universally and without exception - and
still cling to the same old rigid forms of specialist thinking - and refuse
to envisage that there is a totally different *level* of thought - that
there is not just one, but two halves to the brain.
-----Original Message-----
From: John G. Rose
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 7:01 PM
To: AGI
Subject: RE: [agi] How Steve can be creative (or: The Nature of
Intelligence/AGI)
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Richfield [mailto:[email protected]]
Mike is saying that no presently known mathematical methods can explain
GI, and I agree.
He's saying this mainly because he doesn't know them. Though yes there are
mathematical aspects of GI which haven't been adequately described.
I find it amusing though as he attempts to describe AGI without mathematical
handles, his GI grasps at symbols in its own way, that of which can be
interpreted from a mathematical viewpoint. A system looking for an alternate
to symbols in a world of symbols, trying to describe what GI does with
symbols, without them :)
John
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